Douglas Bader enigma

I remember the individual and the story concerned when i was a ww2 researcher on the bbc peoples war webpage.

He wanted the bbc to authenticate his work, but it was pointed out by a lot of veterans and the researchers that he was clearly wrong, until in the end he got quite abusive and was then banned. I also remember one of his other so called tales that was also complete fabrication,

BBC - WW2 People's War - Douglas Bader's MG

I'm sure if you search the ww2 peoples war archive there will be another couple of his fictional tales listed.

James

 

I remember the individual and the story concerned when i was a ww2 researcher on the bbc peoples war webpage.

He wanted the bbc to authenticate his work, but it was pointed out by a lot of veterans and the researchers that he was clearly wrong, until in the end he got quite abusive and was then banned. I also remember one of his other so called tales that was also complete fabrication,

BBC - WW2 People's War - Douglas Bader's MG

I'm sure if you search the ww2 peoples war archive there will be another couple of his fictional tales listed.

James


This seems to be a repeating scenario. The same happened on the Key Publishing forum.

 

This seems to be a repeating scenario. The same happened on the Key Publishing forum.

Yep, you query him and all you get is abuse back. The guy is a joke along with his website.

 

But thanks for posting the e-mail address of his ISP provider...if he slams me again, that fella gets a quick e-mail from me...and if necessary, my solicitors. (lawyers here)

 

This is the first time that I have commented on this KW character as I was sitting on the fence with an open mind.

His rhetoric and rebuttal of the query from James Harvey's BBC link has put him in a bad light and confirms his aggressive attitude.

Sadly it seems that he is bouyed and encouraged by those visitors on his guestbook that feed off conspiracy theories.

"Suffice to say all seem to have been aggreable with his story...funny that!"

"If you are not with him, you are agin him"

 

Spidge, I have grave doubts that any of the comments from "visitors" that he's posted on his site are genuine. They just don't ring true to me. They read just like someone patting himself on the back and congratulating himself on his "fluid writing style".

 

Spidge, I have grave doubts that any of the comments from "visitors" that he's posted on his site are genuine. They just don't ring true to me. They read just like someone patting himself on the back and congratulating himself on his "fluid writing style".

This was intimated in my post.


"Suffice to say all seem to have been aggreable with his story...funny that!"

 

This is the first time that I have commented on this KW character as I was sitting on the fence with an open mind.

His rhetoric and rebuttal of the query from James Harvey's BBC link has put him in a bad light and confirms his aggressive attitude.

Sadly it seems that he is bouyed and encouraged by those visitors on his guestbook that feed off conspiracy theories.

"Suffice to say all seem to have been aggreable with his story...funny that!"

"If you are not with him, you are agin him"



You might be interested to see a previous posting to another forum from KW to someone that dared to question his story. KW is quite proud of this posting and refers to it in an abusive posting to yet another forum ("How I dealt with another doubter") and on his current webpages. I quote this mrely to show just what sort of an "honourable" veteran this person is.

"I am about to be expelled from this miserable forum because what I want to say to a nasty little P***K such as you is probably unprintable and,your mate the neutered Moggy, who has no more ide of moderating than a deaf dumb and blind monkey, is rubbing his hands with glee to see me go and being kicked out for putting you all into the too hard basket. Whoever you are mate if you were on fire I would not P*SS on you, there are no words that would describe such a low form of life as you. PLease join up and go to Iraq and volunteer rto become a human bomb.

You mate should be effing lynched by any sane members left in this Form and I hope next time you slander a Veteran that he lives in your area and able to come round and beat the s**t out of you you miserable little ass whole.

By the way have you stopped beating your wife yet?

I'm outa here - where's the effing exit?"

 

Well I have the results from the Sydney Panel, in reply to my email earlier this evening :-

Williams
You really are an idiot, I'd put it down to you being dropped on your head, but to damage the brain it would have to be your arse.

Unfortunately as usual you have the wrong person. That email never originated from me. So can I suggest that before I take the constant abusive content up with your webspace provider, can I respectfully suggest that you remove your libellous remarks from your website.

For your information the following facts are true:-
The Liverpool Blitz ended in May 1941, the last bombs fell on Liverpool in January 1942. Therefore you could not have tended to Bader during the Blitz as you claim. I know you are going to say that the Germans never told you, but the fact that things weren’t exploding around you every evening would have been a big clue.

The Last Luftwaffe aircraft to be shot down anywhere close to Liverpool was in 1941, so if you did witness an aircraft coming down, this would have been 1941.

The Z Rocket Battery wasn't installed on the Mersey until late 1942 early 1943, and most certainly didn't bring down any Luftwaffe aircraft, singularly or en-masse;

The Americans were not packing the Bars and Clubs of Liverpool in either 1941, nor early 1942, it would be close to the end of 1942 before any significant numbers actually arrived in the UK to make a noticeable difference.

These are all concrete facts, easily confirmed, not part of some great conspiracy. I suggest that you do far more research into these events, than you obviously have done. You may then find the answers that you have been looking for.

Your yarn has more holes in it than a Swiss Cheese, which makes the rest of your sorry tale far less believable.

Over the past 40 years, I have had the pleasure of meeting many of the people who gallantly fought in the last war, many spent time incarcerated, some suffered the horrendous conditions of various concentration camps. Your meagre contribution to the greater picture pales into insignificance in comparison. They are worthy of the title “War-Veteran”, and to a man are modest about the whole thing. To me they are heroes.

You on the other hand are a sad, bitter and twisted old man who is looking for nothing more than some form of prestige, for, in effect, very little.

I received this:-

Le Sewer

As is your usual style you deny everything.

When you can provide me with WATERTIGHT evidence that you are not this
gutless World War II Veteran impostor or, can deliver to me in a neat
package the FULL details of this arsehole that you claim is not you, then
you may gain a small amount of respectability, a quality of which right now
you are very short of.

All users of HOTMAIL e-nail services have something to hide and you are a
shining example. Do you have more than the 2 that I know of???

My Website will remain as is until you rectify (as outlined above) the
matter or provide a full and abject apology. And, if it will be of some help
I have had a private message from a Forum member (anonymous of course)
telling me that you are the culprit and, I think you may be able to work out
just who this informer is.

Re your remarks about what did or did not happen, or could have or could not
have happened in Liverpool when you were still a VERY tiny sperm.

Wonderful stuff! When is the book coming out? And can I have the honour of
writing the forward for you? Please..pretty..please!

Meanwhile here are some of the comments people have left in my Guest Book over a couple of years but all the filth from The Aviation Forum has been
removed. Read what clear thinking and un-blinkered decent people think of me
and my story ... if you can bear it.

Enjoy


And I have replied with this:-

I deny nothing but unlike the present UK government I am not of the habit of apologising for something I haven’t done. Nelson will get his eye back well before you achieve any act of contrition from me.

So lets put this into context, because I wasn't there I am unable to take notice of official records, both available locally and at the Public Records Office. Ah but of course the whole thing was put together and records have been lost or amended to hind the fact that Bader came back to the UK, to stay in some second rate hotel in Liverpool, for some apparent clandestine reason, and today this would be so contentious they have refused to release any records for another 40 years. GET REAL !!!!

You have no substance to your sorry tale, you have no evidence other than what you claim you saw in 1942, even though official records and all the evidence contradicts your claims.

It’s funny how you have been laughed off of every forum and website wherever you have posted your farcical claim, the only retort that you have been able to give is to verbally abuse those people.

Oh one last thing before I retire for a good night’s and troubled not sleep. I was brought up in the UK, with the surname I was proudly born with I suffered all sorts of name calling, the most popular being Le Sewer, so if you think any form or connotation of my surname that you can come with will annoy me, you are as usual mistaken. You may want to try Le Sweat, Le Squeak or Le Shit. None of which make me want to retaliate.

I hope you enjoy your day as much as I will enjoy my night.

 

So the history books are wrong but this odious little man is right? he wrongly accuses you of doing something and it's up to you to prove you didn't do it? This man's a clown.

 

Weird...

 

I think we can safely say that he is the one with the "Sewer Pit" mentality after that tirade.

 

And this morning I woke up to this :-

You have no substance to your sorry tale, you have no evidence other than
what you claim you saw in 1942, even though official records and all the
evidence contradicts your claims. BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! ETC ETC ETC

WHAT EVIDENCE? YOU KEEP ON RANTING AND RAVING ABOUT THIS EVIDENCE SO WHY NOT
PRODUCE IT FOR ALL TO SEE? I THINK YOU ARE JUST FULL OF BULL SHIT MR.SEWER
WHO PRATTLES ON SO MUCH AND ACTUALLY SAYS OR PRODUCES BUGGER ALL.

MY LIFE, AND STORY IS AN OPEN BOOK FOR ALL TO SEE - WHAT IS YOURS, AN OPEN
SEWER PERHAPS?

YOU KNOW SOMETHING? AFTER CHECKING MY RECORDS YOU ARE RIGHT WHEN YOU (OR WAS
IT WEB-PILOT?) CLAIMED THAT THERE WERE NO AMERICAN TROOPS IN LIVERPOOL IN
1942 AS I REPORTED.
IT ALL COMES BACK TO ME NOW,THEY WERE IN FACT GERMAN TROOPS ON LEAVE FROM
JERSEY WITH THEIR JERSEY GIRL FRIENDS AND A FEW JERSEY BOY FRIENDS. I RECALL
NOW THAT THEY ALL STANK OF FRESH COW SH!T!

I like the last few lines, we're trying the collaboration angle now

 

:mad111:


:rant:

 

EN830, I appreciate that you've spent a considerable amount of your own time in furnishing Ken Williams with some solid facts in an attempt to make his stories a little more credible but I fear that you're wasting your time with an unreceptive and ungrateful man.

 

You are wasting your time, when I was a ww2 researcher for the BBC and i notice a few names on this site who were part of the team back them. KW was most disruptive, any story that was highly dubious posted by anyone and one of the them asked the poster to check dates, places events etc.. KW would jump in and start saying we were suprressing the facts, trying to hide the truth blah blah blah.

It even caused another WW2 veteran to leave the BBC site as KW disputed his bona fide facts.

James

 

You are wasting your time, when I was a ww2 researcher for the BBC and i notice a few names on this site who were part of the team back them. KW was most disruptive, any story that was highly dubious posted by anyone and one of the them asked the poster to check dates, places events etc.. KW would jump in and start saying we were suprressing the facts, trying to hide the truth blah blah blah.

It even caused another WW2 veteran to leave the BBC site as KW disputed his bona fide facts.

James


I note that KW says the reason he "took his story off " the BBC forum was because other stories were not authenticated! This hypocrisy is also a repeating theme with KW - he won't believe anyone else unless "they provide solid evidence" but he expects his word to be taken at face value. I also note that his site moved hosts at some point, so I wonder if he lost his ISP over some similar incident. The man is clearly a menace and it affirms my belief that the continued public naming and shaming of him is justified.

 

What a sick, bitter, twisted, old man.

Well, for the past 60 years, he's been trying to peddle this ridiculous story, the biggest moment of his entire life, and the world has laughed in his face. His frustration level, at age 83, must be the size of Mt. Everest.

All he has left is impotent rage on his website.

I wonder how his family can stand him.

I put his one and only e-mail to me in the "junk pile" and him on my "ignore" list, as mentioned, and won't "debate" him. I have enough cause for high blood pressure.

 

What a sick, bitter, twisted, old man.

Well, for the past 60 years, he's been trying to peddle this ridiculous story, the biggest moment of his entire life, and the world has laughed in his face. His frustration level, at age 83, must be the size of Mt. Everest.

All he has left is impotent rage on his website.

I wonder how his family can stand him.

I put his one and only e-mail to me in the "junk pile" and him on my "ignore" list, as mentioned, and won't "debate" him. I have enough cause for high blood pressure.


Indeed, it's very clear that KW is a powder keg of barely contained anger at the world at large that has laughed in his face for so long. That said, there's no reason for anyone else to be stressed by him. Though his unfounded attack on Douglas Bader is an unacceptable slur on a great man, it is only a matter of time before the "Bader Enigma" will eventually, and inevitably, slide into the wastebin of history. KW's abuse towards others easily slides off like water off a duck, in the knowledge that somewhere down under a sad and bitter old man is furiously bashing out his puerile, splenetic outbursts no doubt with a contused, purple face and a vein throbbing on his forehead. And no-one cares a damn.

 

He was also in Liverpool on 25 April 1941, this sort of ties in with KW story

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I thought that my account of Churchill's September 1941 visit to Liverpool nailed (no pun intended) the KW story. Instead my account is irrelevant, since Churchill did visit Liverpool around 25 April 1941 as you say.

Unfortunately John Colville, the P.M.'s private secretary, did not accompany him. He recordsThursday, April 24th [1941]
... The P.M. left for a tour of Liverpool and Manchester. ...

Friday, April 25th
A medical interview for the R.A.F. Passed A1. ...

Churchill's biographer, Sir Martin Gilbert, says for 25 AprilChurchill now set off for a tour of Liverpool, Manchester, and Merseyside, accompanied by Averell Harriman, and the most recent of Roosevelt's emissaries, James Forrestal, with whom he had already had 'long talks' at Ditchley. Their purpose, Churchill telegraphed to Roosevelt, was 'to study the position in the Mersey area, so important to the North-Western Approaches.

There is no indication of how they travelled, although it seems inconceivable that Churchill would not have used his special train with full dining and sleeping facilities, just as he did in September on his second visit.

Peter

P.S. I am sorry I did not respond sooner. How does one subscribe to a thread for notification of messages?