BEF Vehicles

Discussion in '1940' started by JCB, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter 1940 Obsessive

    There looks to be a 3 Div formation sign on the N/S/F wing of the truck facing us which would make this 2nd Battalion Lincolnshire Regt.

    This puzzles me a little as I put the farmyard architecture as up on the Saar front rather than Picardy or Flanders and 9th Infantry Brigade didn't go up to the Maginot as far as I'm aware.
     
  2. May1940

    May1940 Senior Member

    I think you are right about the unit Rich. I have seen this picture in the IWM files and my notes say 2 Bn Lincolns. You have good eyesight to spot the formation sign.

    Andrew
     
  3. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Hi guys

    I am aiming to make a model of this old truck. Interestingly, the only kit I know of, and some of the pics, show it with a full (OK in about three pieces) windscreen shaped to fit the bonnet (hood) at the base. However, many of the most interesting pics on this forum show the truck with the cab roof folded back and, as far as I can see, no windscreen, but rolled canvas fixed to a straight across bulkhead level with the top of the bonnet. Does anyone know if the earlier models of this truck had no windscreen, or perhaps aero screens? I could understand it if the windscreen was folded down, but there is no sign of a folded windscreen, and the straight bulkhead suggests a different construction.

    Also interestingly, I can find no pic of a CDF with a windscreen at all, but the CD recce car definitely has a screen (though it looks as if that could be folded down).

    Chris

    CD with windscreen
    http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/chrismmgrove/CD-03.jpg

    CD without screen
    http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/chrismmgrove/CD-02.jpg
    http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/chrismmgrove/MorrisCD.jpg
     
  4. lesfreathy

    lesfreathy Member

    Chris
    All the images i have show the CD with screen and CDF with storm aprons as attached
    cheers
    Les
     

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  5. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Thanks for the quick reply, Les, but the pics I attached show that some of the CDs had storm aprons too!

    Chris
     
  6. May1940

    May1940 Senior Member

    Chris

    I agree with Les. The CDF has neither windscreen nor aeroscreens in any of the pictures I have, although there is one beute version with a German-added windscreen - see attached. There is a also a restored version which has a later windscreen.

    If you are making a model beware the plans produced some time ago by Mike Conniford and Gerald Scarborough. They are not accurate. You may have something better already though.

    Andrew
     

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  7. May1940

    May1940 Senior Member

    Thanks for the quick reply, Les, but the pics I attached show that some of the CDs had storm aprons too!

    Chris

    I think the confusion may be arising because your two CDs without windscreens are in fact both CDFs. Does that explain it?

    Andrew
     
  8. Neilie

    Neilie Member

    I agre with Andrew. The CD doesn't seem the two have louvres on the top of the hood like the CDF. The CDF also has the prominent steering gear protruding on the offside between the mudguard and bonnet which is just evident in the photos posted as CD's.
    From a distance and from the angle photographed they do appear initially to be CD's however.

    Cheers,

    Neil
     
  9. lesfreathy

    lesfreathy Member

    Chris
    I should have looked at your photos first as printed the same one again sorry about that. the one you submitted of the CDF in Dunkirk does take a second look as from the front at first glance could be mistaken for a CD but soon becomes apparent it is not but a CDF.Attached on in the desert with sand tyres
    cheers
    Les
     

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  10. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Many thanks for all your replies, guys, and I think you are right! Which saves me a good deal of trouble and makes me doubly pleased. There is something about the perspective of the bonnets that makes both CD and CDF look very similar from the front - and the 'CD' pics I sent are both from the left so you cannot see the steering gear well!
    Incidentally, if the one at Beltring 2010 is anything to go by, the tops of those ventilation things on the CDF bonnet actually slide open to the side!
    All I need now is a CD pic showing some markings as there seem to be few real CD pics about!
    Chris
     
  11. Neilie

    Neilie Member

    Chris,

    You are right about a lack of CD photos.....all we need to do now is to convince Bull to do a CDF. At least we would have a little more to work with.

    Cheers,

    Neil
     
  12. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Giesbers Models from Holland have a CDF. Not too keen on the back bit, but the front is not bad at all.

    Chris
     
  13. Neilie

    Neilie Member

    Right and it's a lot more expensive than the CD from Bull.....at least the one I saw.

    Cheers,

    Neil
     
  14. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    Something a bit ironic about this nice little Raf Coles crane servicing a Heinkel in Nov 1940.
     
  15. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    Strolling through the excellent Axis History forum Beute and Umbauwagen thread came across this - Leyand Retreiver ( Searchlight ? )somewhere in France, and also a few more unusual ex - BEF stuff among the hordes of 15cwts.
     

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  16. May1940

    May1940 Senior Member

    Strolling through the excellent Axis History forum Beute and Umbauwagen thread came across this - Leyand Retreiver ( Searchlight ? )somewhere in France, and also a few more unusual ex - BEF stuff among the hordes of 15cwts.

    It is a while since I looked there. I think that probably is a searchlight truck - it seems to have had a door near the front of the body and the hoops are quite high. I wish I could read the markings on the front. The second may also be a Retriever. The next are hybrids. I don't recognise the tanker.

    Andrew
     
  17. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Something a bit ironic about this nice little Raf Coles crane servicing a Heinkel in Nov 1940.


    That is a neat looking machine. Was it self-propelled or did it need to get towed into place? The operator seems to be leaning on a steering wheel but there might also be a tow bar in front.

    Might have been a bit tricky in 1940 to connect steering apparatus through a rotating operators cab. Was steering hydrolic, if it existed?

    Thanks.

    Dave
     
  18. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    That is a neat looking machine. Was it self-propelled or did it need to get towed into place? The operator seems to be leaning on a steering wheel but there might also be a tow bar in front.

    Might have been a bit tricky in 1940 to connect steering apparatus through a rotating operators cab. Was steering hydrolic, if it existed?

    Thanks.


    The cranes were self propelled , the tow bar was for fast ( or slightly faster!) towing on the road. All crane operations were by electric motors from a petrol engine/dynamo. Not sure how drive/steering got to the wheels but it wasn't hydraulic .
    Always think its clever how these type of cranes get all their drive /steer/ brake functions transmitted from the superstructure through a small hole in the centre of a rotating turntable to the wheels :)
     
  19. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    It is a while since I looked there. I think that probably is a searchlight truck - it seems to have had a door near the front of the body and the hoops are quite high. I wish I could read the markings on the front. The second may also be a Retriever. The next are hybrids. I don't recognise the tanker

    Wonder where Retreiver is in in France , bet the railings are still there and it looks like a street name on them behind truck , but sadly can't read it.
    Yes I think the second is a Retreiver with original (workshop?) body . Then a Morris cdf Albion and a Leyland (Beaver?) last two with German bodies ( Ithink)
     
  20. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    Afew off uk ebay , interesting pile of motorcycles!
     

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