JUNO BEACH.

Discussion in 'NW Europe' started by Trux, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. Barry, I think the H+45 bit is missing.
    You mentioned using a word processor for editing your tables. I find spreadsheets easier to handle, but I guess it's up to what one is best used to :).

    Michel
     
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  2. David B.

    David B. New Member

     
  3. Arakan

    Arakan New Member

    Hello to all on this fabulous forum thread. I am particularly interested in LST 239, and her LTIN serial 1150, as my wife's uncle, Jack Loader was on board her for D-Day, and Mentioned in Dispatches at that time, Are there any images of LST 239 and details of her load? I am going to the D-Day museum in Southsea tomorrow with Jack's brother, my father in law, and would love to know more details. Thanks, David.
     
  4. Unfortunately I could not find any photo of LST 239 (Serial 1150). She was part of 9 LST Flotilla, Assault Group J3. She was planned to load at S Two Hard (West) at 1200 D-3 (i.e. 2 Jun 44).

    She sailed in Group 332 (Code Word"MILKY WAY"). I'll refer you to the various posts by Trux on this group in this thread:
    Force J. Assault Group J3.
    9 Canadian Brigade. Naval Assault Group J3..
    The LSTs arrive..
    Force ‘J’ Post Assault.

    Her Commander is given by the excellent uboat.net website as Lt.Cdr. George Austin Moore, RD, RNR:
    HMS LST 239 (LST 239) of the Royal Navy - British Tank landing ship of the LST (Mk 2) class - Allied Warships of WWII - uboat.net

    LST 239 was of the two-davit type.

    I attach the Landing Table dated 2 May 44. Later (very minor) amendments to this version for this Serial included:

    Amendment No.1 10 May 44 – 242 Pro Coy : Amend Coln H – For " 33 M/Cycles" Read "49 M/Cycles"
    Amendment No.2 15 May 44 – 'D' Coy CH of O (MG) : Delete Coln H – All detail; Amend Coln F – Will now read 75
    Amendment No.3 17 May 44 – 2 R M A S Regt : Amend Coln F – For " 2 " Read " 4 "

    Note however that there might have been later amendments, and that the actual loading may have varied from the planned one.

    What was Jack Loader's unit?

    Michel
    LTIN 1150 - 4 May 44 - 1.jpg
    LTIN 1150 - 4 May 44 - 2.jpg
     
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  5. Arakan

    Arakan New Member

    Michael - Thank you so much for taking the trouble to dig those out. I did find them myself through a link on another page of this forum late yesterday afternoon, but was then out for the evening, and have only now been able to look at them.

    Jack Loader was part of the Royal Navy crew of HM LST 239. He was twice Gazetted:

    Mentioned in Despatches 27 Feb 1945 (Temporary Leading Seaman)
    For courage, endurance and determination in transporting stores, vehicles and men in LST’s and LCT’s and other vessels to the Normandy Beaches.

    Mentioned in Despatches 14 June 1945 (Temporary Acting Petty Officer)
    King’s Birthday Honours, June 1945, HM LST-239

    I served with 20 Maritime Regt. RCT, and 17 Port Regt. RCT in the 1980's, on HMAV Arakan, and as a Mexeflote coxswain.

    Many thanks again - I am looking forward to sharing this information with Jack's brother!

    David
     
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  6. Temujin

    Temujin Junior Member

    Finally completed my transcription of the 3rd Canadian Division “Planning Landing Tables” (found in the 3rd Cdn Division General Staff War Diaries)

    If anyone spots errors or mistakes, please let me know and I will correct and update

    Cheers

     

    Attached Files:

  7. Temujin

    Temujin Junior Member

    UPDATE. Thank you Kevin for spotting the error in the table. I’ve corrected and update attached

    If anyone spots anything else, please let me know
     

    Attached Files:

  8. David,

    Since my last post above I was fortunate enough to find some photos of LST 239 after D Day, embarking Churchills tanks of 3 Scots Guards. See Account: 3rd Tank Bn Scots Guards, Jul 1944 - May 1945
    For that trip her load was List Index TT1304. She still wears her D Day livery with the 10 foot red square (meaning a ship bound for JUNO) around the hull number on her bows.

    Michel
     
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  9. I've just uploaded (finally!) my transcription of the April 1944 Landing Table for JUNO in the Resources.

    Since this Landing Table was superseded by a more recent version (dated 2 May 44 plus subsequent Amendments) involving important changes, it should be used with caution and as reference only.

    Now to transcribe the newer version...

    Michel
     
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  10. Temujin

    Temujin Junior Member

    I’m not sure if this information has been posted anywhere else on this site, but thought I would post this.

    The following is the Landing Craft assigned to Assault Ships of Force ‘J’. This information is from the “Green List”, June 1944, Landing Ships, Landing Craft, and Landing Barges - Operations Division, Naval Staff, Admiralty - held at the British National Archives.

    Moderators: If this is a repeat of info posted elsewhere, please feel free to delete

    FORCE ‘J’ - ASSAULT LANDING CRAFT

    1st Division LSI

    • HMS Invicta - J15
      • 510 Royal Marine Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 774 LCA 808
      • LCA 775 LCA 809
      • LCA 807 LCS(M)(3) 47
    • SS Isle of Thanet - J14
      • 505 Royal Marine Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 520 LCA 763
      • LCA 643 LCA 767
      • LCA 644 LCS(M)(3) 107
    • SS Mecklenburg - J17
      • 511 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 684 LCA 816
      • LCA 810 LCA 819
      • LCA 815 LCA 823
    • HMCS Prince Henry - J20
      • 528 Assault Flotilla: - Lt R.G. Buckingham, RCNVR, Flotilla Officer (aboard LCA 1033)
      • LCA 736 - Lt. Gordon W. Hendery, RCNVR LCA 1021 - L/S D.E. Townson, RCNVR
      • LCA 850 - L/S P. Buchnicky, RCNVR LCA 1033 - S/Lt J.A. Flynn, RCNVR
      • LCA 856 - Lt J.C. Davie, RCNVR LCA 1371 - A/B Mellway, RCNVR
      • LCA 925 - L/S Moody, RCNVR LCA 1372 - Lt. G.E. Nuttal, RCNVR
    Replacement LCA’s 7 June 1944 (for LCA’s lost and detached on D Day)
    LCA 1233 LCA 1396

    • HMS Duke of Argyll - J19
      • 517 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 692 LCA 834
      • LCA 706 LCA 836
      • LCA 818 LCA 1025

    2nd Division LSI
    • HMS Ulster Monarch - J11
      • 521 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 583 LCA 886
      • LCA 721 LCA 889
      • LCA 885 LCS(M)(3) 44
    • SS Canterbury - J12
      • 509 Royal Marine Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 596 LCA 647
      • LCA 824 LCA 1039
      • LCA 1040 LCS(M)(3) 89
    • SS Lairds Isle - J13
      • 516 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 598 LCA 831
      • LCA 661 LCA 838
      • LCA 772 LCA 875
    • MV Llangibby Castle - J16
      • 577 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 303 LCA 830 LCA 1017 LCA 1089 LCA 1096 LCA 1146
      • LCA 590 LCA 989 LCA 1036 LCA 1090 LCA 1124 LCA 1173
      • LCA 642 LCA 1016 LCA 1037 LCA 1093 LCA 1131 LCA 1382
    • HMS Queen Emma - J18
      • 526 Royal Marine Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 228 LCA 556
      • LCA 411 LCA 557
      • LCA 512 LCA 1031
      • LCA 538 LCA 1336

    3 LSI Division
    • HMS Brigadier. LSI(H) - J34
      • 513 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 522 LCA 817
      • LCA 713 LCA 820
      • LCA 717 LCA 821
    • SS Clan Lamont, LSI(L) - J31
      • 559 Royal Marine Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 523 LCA 659 LCA 659 LCA 869 LCA 1084 LCA 1142
      • LCA 530 LCA 667 LCA 916 LCA 1087 LCA 1253 LCA 609 LCA 805 LCA 978
      • LCA 1129 LCA 1340
      • LCS(M)(3) 103
      • LCS(M)(3) 104
    • HMS St. Helier - J35
      • 515 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 563 LCA 827
      • LCA 691 LCA 833
      • LCA 735 LCA 878
    • SS Lady of Mann - J37
      • 512 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 581 LCA 714
      • LCA 595 LCA 814
      • LCA 705 LCA 826

    4 LSI Division
    • HMS Duke of Wellington - J32
      • 506 Royal Marine Assault Flotilla
      • LCA 416 LCA 525
      • LCA 467 LCA 768
      • LCA 519 LCA 803
    • SS Monowai - J30
      • 544 Royal Marine Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 197 LCA 289 LCA 1035 LCA 1092
      • LCA 208 LCA 462 LCA 1057
      • LCA 280 LCA 683 LCA 1091
    • 556 Royal Marine Assault Flotilla:
    • LCA 565 LCA 851 LCA 946
    • LCA 728 - Sgt F Turner, RM LCA 918 LCA 948
    • LCA 729 LCA 919 LCA 1034
    • SS Isle of Guernsey - J33
      • 518 Assault Flotilla:
      • LCA 650 LCA 841
      • LCA 710 LCA 844
      • LCA 835 LCA 881
    • HMCS Prince David - J36 - CDR T.D. Kelly, R.C.N.R.
      • 529 Assault Flotilla: Lt J. C. David, Flotilla Officer in LCA 1150
      • LCA 1059 - Lt. J. McBeath RCNVR LCA 1151 - Lt D.F. Graham RCNVR
      • LCA 1137 - L/S G.R. Lavergne, RCN LCA 1375 - Lt G.E. Allin, RCNVR
      • LCA 1138 - Lt J.F. Beveridge, RCNVR LCS(M)(3) 83
      • LCA 1150 - Lt J.C. Davie, RCNVR LCS(M)(3) 10
    Replacement LCA’s on 7 June 1944 (for LCA’s lost and LCA 1374 detached on D Day)
    LCA 1115 LCA 1346 LCA 1359 LCA 1391 LCS(M) 176

    Group 331

    HMS Royal Ulsterman

    • 555 Assault Flotilla:
    • LCA 338 LCA 518
    • LCA 463 LCA 540
    • LCA 517 LCA 748
    Serial 1700 - HMS Hilary
    • 499th Ancillary Flotilla:
    • LCP(L) 504 LCP(L) 761 DUKW - operated by 297 GT Company
    • LCP(L) 528 LCP(L) 853 DUKW - operated by 297 GT Company
    • LCP(L) 534 LCP(L) 854

     
  11. Temujin

    Temujin Junior Member

    Sorry, I tried to edit the above to make it a bit more readable. (Landing Craft numbers in order) but “time ran out” and it wouldn’t let me complete the edit.

    Hopefully everyone understands the above, if they need the info

    Cheers
     
  12. Roy Martin

    Roy Martin Senior Member

    I think that Trux has covered this extensively in earlier posts.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
  13. Temujin

    Temujin Junior Member

    Thank you Roy.....I’ve been thru all of Trux’s information, and I believe he does give us all the Landing Craft Flotilla’s for each vessel, but not the individual landing craft assigned to a specific Flotilla. I may have “missed it”.....but I’ve been searching for the individual landing craft numbers for years (and had obtained quite a few, from this web site and others)....but the documents from the British National Archives (Green List’s) were the first time I’d seen a complete listing of all the Flotilla’s and their assigned craft for Jun 1944 (I had seen Green Lists for Jan 1944......and that’s what triggered my request for the documents from the BNA). Other’s may have had this information before and I just didn’t see it when googling or doing site searches (on this site and others)

    Anyway, the above does “centralize” the numbers all in one spot, so to speak.....and hopefully when someone is googling info on the numbers this will help.

    Cheers
     
  14. Roy Martin

    Roy Martin Senior Member

    Temujin,

    Noted. A couple of small points, according to my records the Duke of Argyll and the Lady of Mann were not HMS.
    Cheers,
    Roy
     
  15. Temujin

    Temujin Junior Member

    Thank you Roy.....I’ll make those adjustments
     
  16. Russell Francis

    Russell Francis New Member

    Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me?

    Looking for any information on my Grandfathers unit.

    He was called up in 1943 at the age of 38 and was enlisted into the Royal Marines

    My Grandfather was rated as a driver in LCVP Flotilla 800, whilst alive he did not talk about to us about the war but he did mention a few ditties to my father.

    He mentions the poor guys facing the fire storm when the ramp went down, explaining that as driver he kept his head down at the back.

    He also mentioned a possible capsize on the beach don't know if that was his LC or another, he also mentioned the picking up of debris/stores in particular barrels of rum, which they were told to leave alone as they could be booby trapped by the Germans, despite that warning I understand spirits and cigarettes were re patriated regularly.

    His service record put him in Royal Marines 800 Flotilla on D-Day, I don't know what particular craft, he was based at HMS Lizard (Shoreham) during that period.

    I have been to Kew but struggled to find reference, other than designation of LC numbers and general plans for Overlord etc.

    I am particularly interested in the Canadian units he may have landed, ideally the landing craft he actually crewed, although I suspect that is unlikely to achieve.

    Any information on activity other than landing during the campaign would be helpful, from your forum it mentions they crossed the Channel the night before D-Day, I assume they were empty then ferried troops from ship to shore, any info or pointers for further research would be very welcome, my father is now 89 it would be nice to give him the full picture.

    Russell Francis
     
  17. The Green List dated 5 Jun 44 provides the composition of 800 Build up Flotilla, "A" Build up Squadron, as follows (16 craft located on Hayling Island and allocated to HMS Northney):

    LCV(P) 1005, 1006, 1007, 1008, 1009, 1010, 1011, 1012, 1014, 1015, 1023, 1024, 1025, 1026, 1027 &1055

    Unfortunately I have no photo of any of these craft.

    Michel
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2019
  18. Russell Francis

    Russell Francis New Member

    Michael, Many thanks for your rapid reply, amazing information on this forum, in awe of your effort and very grateful that you have shared your research.

    Best wishes

    Russell
     
  19. You're very welcome Russell. Trux here did all the work.

    I just found on IWM Film ADM 1264 a short sequence (at 03:49) showing four LCV(P) from "A" Build up Squadron off SWORD Area. The craft on the left has a dark (probably Red) square located top starboard of the ramp, denoting 804 Build up Flotilla, while the Red (?) disk on the other three craft means 800 Build up Flot. Second from left is LCV(P) 1025. So, the odds are 3:16 that your grandfather is on this clip!:D
    LCVP 1025 800 BU Flot, 804 BU Flot - ADM 1264 - 480 - 1944-06 - 03.49 - 042.jpg

    The other two Flotillas in "A" Sqn had a triangle (801 Flot) and diamond (802 Flot) respectively.

    Michel
     
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  20. Russell,

    In case you do not know it yet, there is a lengthy interview (12 reels!) of a veteran of 802 Build up Flotilla on the IWM website:
    Lowndes, Tony (Oral history)

    Michel
     

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