Winston Churchill :Funeral 30th January 1965

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  1. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    I remember seeing the News coverage on TV of the Funeral procession etc and was very impressed by those who lined the route to say their last farewell to Winston S. Churchill.

    When you read about the man, you cannot but think there was a man of wonderful Foresight.

    Yes he probably made mistakes during his career, which some would say cost the lives of many fine soldiers and sailors and airmen.

    However when you look at the positive things he did as Prime Minister for the UK, it is hard to say which, if any of his contempories, would have had the same skill to lead the Country.

    His speeches were renown the world over for uniting the Democratic countries against fascism and I do not think anyone can say other than the man's Public Communications Skills were exceptional.

    I was once on Holiday and stayed a couple of nights in the Woodstock Inn at Woodstock and happened to get into the Company of an undertaker who just happened to be responsible for the Funeral.

  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Doomed class of young Winston: 1892 portrait of youthful Churchill as he poses with Harrow pals... but by 1945 over half were dead
    • The photograph, taken in 1892, shows a 17-year-old Churchill leaning over railings at Harrow School
    • It is one of the oldest images on record of the former prime minister who died almost 50 years ago
    • Here, the Mail on Sunday and historian Lizzie Davies piece together what became of his classmates
    By Claudia Joseph For The Mail On Sunday
    Published: 23:42, 17 January 2015 | Updated: 15:34, 18 January 2015

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    The confident gaze is instantly recognisable, even today.
    This photograph of a 17-year-old Winston Churchill, seen peering over the railings at Harrow School in 1892, is one of the oldest surviving images of our greatest wartime Prime Minister.
    He was far from the ideal scholar. Yet he would achieve greatness – and outlive all but two of his classmates.
    As Allen Packwood from the Churchill Archives Centre says: ‘The great thing is that it captures his rebellious and wilful personality.’
    The picture is among 90,000 glass plates recently uncovered in a Gloucestershire barn and restored by digital specialist Save Photo.
    They will be on display in London later this year.
    Now, 50 years after Churchill’s death, The Mail on Sunday and historian Lizzie Davies have pieced together what happened to his generation.
    Many died fighting for their country or from disease.
    By the time of his greatest triumph in 1945, more than half had perished.


    Winston Churchill (left) pictured at the age of 17 with former classmate George Philip Gurney Hoare in 1892. The image is one of thousands that will be put on display to mark the 50th anniversary of the former prime minister's death



    1. Winston Spencer Churchill 1874-1965. Journalist, author, painter, historian, and our greatest wartime Prime Minister. He was survived by only two of his classmates.
    2. George Philip Gurney Hoare d. 1915. Owner of a shipping wharf. Badly wounded in First World War and died in hospital in Britain aged 39.
    3. Osmond Charteris Du Port d. 1929. Born in Egypt. Survived the Boer War and the First World War. Died aboard a passenger liner a month before his 54th birthday.
    4. Alexander Phillip Percival d. 1946. Worked for the Woods And Forest Service in India.
    5. Hon John Tyrwhitt d. 1937. Surveyor and civil engineer. Tried at the Old Bailey in 1898 for fraud but was found not guilty. Died aged 60 in Australia.
    6. Aynsley Eyre Greenwell d. 1944. Brother of Bernard Greenwell (also photographed). Served in Boer War and First World War before becoming a brewer.
    7. Maurice Richard Lyndon White d. 1942. Went to Oxford and became journalist and publisher. Lived in Croydon with his wife, two children, a governess and two servants. Declared bankrupt in 1912.
    8. Wilfred Edward James La Fontaine d. 1948. Born in Constantinople. Returned to Turkey after leaving Harrow.
    9. Ernald George Justinian Hartley d. 1947. Research chemist at Oxford University.
    10. Mark Richard Milbanke d. 1927. Son of Sir Penistone Milbanke, 9th baronet, he became a portrait painter and Royal Academician.
    11. Thomas Bailey Forman d. 1939. Journalist, newspaper owner and printer. Founded Thomas Forman & Sons, now owned by Northcliffe Media.
    12. Frederick William Robertson OBE d.1938. Served with the Royal Engineers in First World War. Then deputy director of works for Mesopotamia Expeditionary Force.
    13. Frederick Anderson Stebbing d. 1900. Killed in action in Boer War during the advance on Ladysmith at the age of 24.
    14. Dudley Baines Forwood d. 1961. Ship owner in Liverpool and London.
    15. Gerald Henry Tilson Chowne d. 1917. Attended the Slade School of Art and Design and became a painter. Joined the Artists Rifles in the First World War and was killed in Macedonia at the age of 42.
    16. Bernard Eyre Greenwell d. 1939. Older brother of Aynsley Eyre Greenwell (also pictured). Senior partner at the stockbroking firm W. Greenwell & Co. He also farmed in Suffolk.
    17. Robert Corrie Evans d. 1948. After fighting in the First World War, became Prime Warden of The Fishmongers’ Company.
    18. George Pym Gore d. 1959. A land agent and surveyor. He served with the Welsh Guards in the First World War.
    19. Frank Symes Thompson d. 1948. Brother of Arthur (also pictured). Became a priest and missionary in South Africa.
    20. Oliver Harris Valpy d. 1914. Served as a second lieutenant with the Army Service Corps. Killed during the First World War.
    21. Lionel Dixon Spencer d. 1960. Survived Boer War and First World War. One of the few whose lifespan matched that of Churchill.
    22. John Cecil Morgan d. 1915. Served in Boer War. Died in the First World War. Fought at Gallipoli and was killed in action at Lala Baba aged 39.
    23. Brian Stewart Brown d. 1932. Successful stockbroker in Liverpool, lived with his widowed mother, his spinster sister and eight servants.
    24. Howard Stratten Thompson d. 1954 Stockbroking son of a colonel. Became a captain in the Bedfordshire Regiment in First World War.
    25. George William Bulkley Tattersall d. 1939. Son of a minister. Served as a captain in the Middlesex Regiment during Boer War.
    26. The Hon Henry Cornelius O’Callaghan Prittie d. 1948. An author and 5th Baron Dunalley of Kilboy, Tipperary.
    27. William Francis Martin d. 1915. Served in Boer War and First World War. He was killed at the age of 39 during the Second Battle of Ypres. Director of Leicester’s Mountserrel Granite company.
    28. Walter Louis Buxton d. 1960. A Norfolk JP and a captain in the King’s Own Norfolk Imperial Yeomanry.
    29. Charles Maitland d. 1956. Merchant and manufacturer.
    30. Charles John Cecil Grant d. 1950. Twin of Robert, (also pictured.) Wounded in both the Boer War and First World War.
    31. Walter Wilson Greg d. 1959. Became a leading Shakespearean scholar.
    32. Charles Victor Tylston Hodgson d. 1929 Architect. Served as a lieutenant in the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserves in First World War and as the King’s Messenger for Naval Despatches.
    33. Arthur Stafford Crawley d. 1948. Became a vicar, then chaplain to the Forces with the Guards Division and later to King George VI.
    34. Archibald Boyd Boyd-Carpenter d. 1937. Son of a chaplain to Queen Victoria, Edward VII and George V. Knighted in 1926 for his work with the Admiralty and the Paymaster General.
    35. Clement Gutch d. 1908. Graduated from Cambridge in classics. Died aged 33.
    36. Robert Barbour d. 1928. A landowner best remembered for remodelling Bolesworth Castle, the family estate in Cheshire. Killed by runaway horse.
    37. Edward Gossett Gossett Tanner d. 1922. A mathematician and civil engineer. Died at 47.
    38. Colville Cornwallis Albert Eyre Crabbe d. 1921. Served with the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light infantry during First World War and was awarded a Military Cross.
    39. Cecil Dudley King Farlow d. 1965 A solicitor, he died shortly after watching Churchill’s funeral on television. Served in First World War as lieutenant in the Royal Army Service Corp.
    40. Charles Dingwall Williams d. 1952. Joined the family sherry firm Bodega Williams & Humbert after serving as a major in the First World War.
    41. Thomas Calvert Platt Beasley d. 1934. A farmer and land agent. Became a major in First World War and then a JP.
    42. Walter Thursby Winthrop d. 1917. Became a farmer in Brisbane. Was wounded in the Boer War. Killed with Australian Imperial Force during the First World War.
    43. Herbert Basil Rivington d. 1962. Went to Cambridge before becoming a missionary in Kartoum and Omdurman.
    44. Robert Josceline Grant d. 1900. Twin brother of Charles (also pictured). Killed aged 22 in Boer War.
    45. Nigel Robson Crum-Ewing d. 1960. Acting district officer in the Straits Settlements (now Malaysia). Awarded Croix de Guerre with Machine Gun Corps in First World War.
    46. Ranald Martin Cuncliffe Munro d. 1946. Schoolteacher and barrister. Served in First World War.
    47. Gordon Lloyd Trevor Kenyon d. 1951. Became a solicitor after leaving Cambridge University.
    48. Mark Waterlow d. 1939. Oxford-educated barrister who served in First World War and was a director of the family printing firm Waterlow Bros.
    49. Charles Stanhope Forester Crofton d. 1909. Son of a Royal Artillery major, joined Indian Civil Service but died at 35 from cholera.
    50. Nelson Chapman Alcock d. 1900. Graduated from Magdalen College, Oxford, but died aged 27.
    51. George Walter Wilson d. 1937. Captain of Harrow’s football XI. Became a businessman in Karachi.
    52. Attwood Alfred Torrens d. 1916. Stockbroker and MCC cricketer who was commissioned into Royal Field Artillery. Killed by a shell in 1916.
    53. Dudley Churchill Marjoribanks d. 1935. Churchill’s cousin, served as Royal Horse Guards lieutenant in the Boer War. Lord in Waiting to Edward VII and George V.
    54. Count Eric Julius Magnus Steenbock d. 1933. Churchill’s first room mate at Harrow. Died in Yorkshire aged 57.
    55. Anthony Wilkin d. 1901. Author of On The Nile With A Camera and Among The Berbers Of Algeria. Struck down by dysentery in Cairo.
    56. Stephen Filgate Leppoc Cappel d. 1901. Joined Imperial Forest Service and died at 26 of a disease contracted in Burma.
    57. Arthur Orlando Wolstan Cecil Weld Forester d. 1914. Nephew of Hon Orlando (also in picture). Fought in Boer War and became aide-de-camp to Viceroy of India. Fatally wounded in First World War.
    58. Hon Orlando St Maur Forester d. 1944. Son of 4th Baron Forester and uncle of Arthur (also pictured). Army chaplain in First World War. Became missionary in Japan and China. Died as Rector of Trowbridge, Wiltshire.
    59. James Ernest John Brudenell Bruce d. 1917. Killed in First World War. Served as second lieutenant in the Northamptonshire Yeomanry.
    60. Cecil Loraine Estridge d. 1959. Fought in Boer War before becoming businessman. Returned to his old regiment, the East Yorkshire, at outbreak of First World War. Took part in Suvla Bay landing and evacuation in Gallipoli. Was wounded, mentioned three times in despatches and awarded the DSO.
    61. Edward Butler Heberden d. 1954. Followed in father’s footsteps to become a vicar in Wiltshire.
    62. Russell Mortimer Luckock d. 1950. Son of the Dean of Lichfield Cathedral. Served in Boer War. Became instructor at the School of Musketry and Staff College and a brigade major in First World War. Retired from the Army in 1938, but rejoined King’s Own Royal Regiment as a colonel.
    63. Arthur Howard Symes-Thompson d. 1927. Brother of Frank (also pictured). Served in Boer War and First World War before running a coffee plantation in Kenya.
    64. George Arthur Ponsonby d. 1969. Cousin of Richard Ponsonby (pictured). Outlived all his fellow pupils at Harrow. After being wounded during First World War, was Comptroller and Private Secretary to Queen Maud of Norway before becoming equerry to King George VI and Elizabeth II.
    65. George Ernest Marten d. 1940. A director of Barclays Bank. Served as JP.
    66. Richard Arthur Brabazon Ponsonby d. 1937. Private secretary to the governors of the British Cape Colony, Natal, Trinidad and Tobago, Ceylon, Hong Kong and Fiji. After First World War, became interpreter to Japanese Crown Prince Hirohito.
    67. Charles Edward Ludlow Porter d.1943. Wounded in First World War. Ran off with fellow officer’s wife, 16 years his junior. Died in India aged 65

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  3. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron


    I would normally question (but only in my mind) the use of this particular thread to include the item above but I am so pleased you drew our attention to this fascinating article.

    Many thanks !

  4. Joe Brown

    Joe Brown WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    As I watched the solemn procession, often with tears in my eyes, I made a vow that I would pay my own tribute standing at his grave. I did, but I knelt in homage at the foot of this great Leader that I had inspired me during these long seven years.
  5. Noel Burgess

    Noel Burgess Senior Member

    I remember, as a 14 year old, being particularly moved by the "salute" of the dockside cranes which (then still) lined the Thames - which dipped their jibs as the barge carrying his coffin passed down the Thames after the service.

    I now see that it is shown at 3:54 into the film clip at the start of this thread
  6. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

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  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Thanks Lesley - Was trying to ID when this was on the other day
  8. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

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  9. STAN50

    STAN50 Senior Member

    From 'The War Illustrated' yearbook, 1940

    Attached Files:

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    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

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  11. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

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  13. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron


    Thanks for posting the link.

    I see that we both posted it at exactly 11;02 ;)

    To explain why I often return to a thread, I ususually make postings from my iPad which is kept permanently in the lounge but if I wish to add images I find it so much easier to do this on my PC upstairs in my study.

    The definition on the snaps is very rough I'm afreaid.

    They were originally transparancies and when I transferred them to digital many years later this was the best I could do.

    My favourite is the one showing junior officers from the 4th QOH carrying trays on which were his many medals and decorations

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  14. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    'We nearly dropped Churchill's coffin'

    On 30 January 1965, millions of people watched the state funeral of Winston Churchill take place at St Paul's Cathedral, but what was it like for the soldiers who carried his coffin that day?
    "I was telling Sir Winston Churchill, 'don't worry sir, we'll look after you,' and of course I was really talking to myself, but apparently I was talking out loud because you could actually feel him sliding off the shoulders," says Lincoln Perkins.
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  15. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    It will be a long time before the funeral of anyone other than a member of the Royal Family will have such an impact in Britain.
  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Good stuff, Ron.
    I just watched tonight's Beeb Paxman programme on the funeral - worth a watch, and from your shots you might even spot yourself.
    I really feel for those pall-bearer's now. The looks on their faces at some points are priceless - contained agony.

    Churchill - The Nation's Farewell - Iplayer.

    And for anyone with four or five hours to spare, BBC Archives' four part footage of the funeral:
  17. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I just watched that too VP. Interesting story behind the dockyard cranes.
  18. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Aye. We didn't want to hear it, but you can't beat a bit of truth sometimes.
  19. STAN50

    STAN50 Senior Member

    Having watched the Jeremy Paxman documentary l learnt a few new things about the funeral.

    Whether people liked or disliked Winston Churchill he was the right person at the right time to lead the country through a turbulent and unique period of history. Without doubt, we owe him a great deal.

    - Just wish some younger people recognised this. Those who have daubed his statue with paint at various central London demonstrations for example clearly never fully comprehend the freedom gained and the high price earlier generations paid for it, lead by this great man.
  20. Oldman

    Oldman Very Senior Member

    Really enjoyed Paxman's documentary with warts and all.
    Remember watching the funeral on TV in black and white so nice to see it in colour, we as a household had followed every announcement given by the BBC all the way till his death.
    People who we saw every day wore black arm bands and the ladies dark hats or black as a mark of respect.

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