Non Commemorated War Dead of WW2

Discussion in 'Non-Commemorated War Dead' started by chrisharley9, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Geoff

    only 2 listed under Aus Coastguard - I have an authority (Spidge) that shows 22 dead coastwatchers - will have to have a chat with him later

    Chris

    Chris, Just searched all my data for COAST + WATCH + AUSTRALIA. Only the two come up. Also tried without Australia, same result. Interesting to see what Spidge says.

    geoff
     
  2. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Out of interest - for me and probably all here - what is the criteria for a name being accepted?

    Hope I get this right. Died between September 3 1939 and December 31 1947. Must be either a member of commonwealth forces, or other qualifying units (nursing, mercantile marine, home guard - not certain of the full list). All Commonwealth service members qualify no matter how died - if still in service. Others must be death while on duty. Civilians qualify in cases of death by enemy action, but their name is commemorated only, graves are not in CWGC care. Death of service men or women between these dates after leaving service must be due to war service or a condition exacerbated by. Can get very complicated.
    Proof is required that the person is who we say they are and nature of death qualifies. Perhaps others can add to this or correct me.
     
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  3. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Good to see you all here, and I hope members can help/assist with any projects that are on-going.

    Out of interest - for me and probably all here - what is the criteria for a name being accepted?

    Paul

    qualifying dates 3rd Sep 1939 to 31 Dec 1947

    All serving members of HM & Commonwealth Forces & associated forces as recognised by the CWGC eg YMCA, ENSA who died on duty whilst serving with HM or Commwealth Foces.

    Post discharge deaths of the above categories whose death was caused by or aggravated by military service

    All Merchant Mariners who died as the result of enemy action

    All civilians who died as the result of enemy action or who died as the result of a military aircraft accident

    Chris
     
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  4. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    You beat me to it Geoff - as Geoff says in some cases in can get very complicated

    Chris
     
  5. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Thanks Gentleman - that is very enlightening.

    I suspect the difficult bit is proving a man who died after 1947 died of injuries caused by war service? Do they accept psychological damage as well as physical injuries?
     
  6. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    It depends on the circumstances - personally Im prepared to look at any case

    Chris
     
  7. AndyBaldEagle

    AndyBaldEagle Very Senior Member

    Welcome to the forum Chris

    I have followed, albeit on an irregular basis, the success you,and others, have had on the WW1 forum (or should I refer to it as that other war!). The diligence and obvious passion you have for such endeavour is to be congratulated, and I am sure that the greatest satisfaction must be when those who were forgotten have been brought 'In from the Cold'.
    MODS
    Maybe that is what the title of the sub forum should be, I would hope that those members of the WW1 forum would not mind you borrowing the title.... and I know there are members from here frequent there.

    Best wishes to all

    Andy
     
  8. AndyBaldEagle

    AndyBaldEagle Very Senior Member

    Paul /Chris

    Having just Pauls post about post 1947 deaths, how long afterwards would this apply?
    I am sure I read, but dont ask me where!, about one ex Parachute Regiment chap, who had been wounded reasonably early on, I think maybe at Bruneval, who when he died, I think in the late 1990s, the cause of death was due to injuires received during the war.

    Andy
     
  9. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    It depends on the circumstances - personally Im prepared to look at any case

    Chris

    Thanks Chris. The reason I ask is I visited an uncle's grave in Essex many years ago with my Nan. It was very forlorn. I remember her saying he had been in the Merchant Navy in WW2, been torpedoed, seen all his mates eaten by sharks, taken POW by the Japanese, and returned, never the same man, and supposedly died of his injuries. I am going off to re-visit his grave in the spring, and also speak to his sister to find out some more.
     
  10. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Paul /Chris

    Having just Pauls post about post 1947 deaths, how long afterwards would this apply?
    I am sure I read, but dont ask me where!, about one ex Parachute Regiment chap, who had been wounded reasonably early on, I think maybe at Bruneval, who when he died, I think in the late 1990s, the cause of death was due to injuires received during the war.

    Andy

    December 31 1947 is the cut off date. Die of GSW, or whatever on 1st January 1948 - not accepted.
    I believe Chris has had some 'falling off the cliff' cases - missed by a couple of days.
    I read an obituary some time in the 1990s, Artillery Lt. who died of asbestos related disease. Schrapnel carried some fibres from an asbestos lined ammo box into a shoulder wound.

    geoff
     
  11. AndyBaldEagle

    AndyBaldEagle Very Senior Member

    Geoff

    Thanks for that. I thought that might be the case, however the case did interest me some!

    Paul

    Is your Uncle's grave anywhere near me? if you need a photo that is? I am in Havering, but can probably reach most places, if I ask Mrs ABE nicely!

    Andy
     
  12. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Paul

    that is exactly the sort of case I want to have a look at - if you could let me have as many details as you can

    Chris
     
  13. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Paul

    Is your Uncle's grave anywhere near me? if you need a photo that is? I am in Havering, but can probably reach most places, if I ask Mrs ABE nicely!

    Andy

    Andy - will send you a PM.

    Paul

    that is exactly the sort of case I want to have a look at - if you could let me have as many details as you can

    Chris

    Chris - ditto.
     
  14. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Chris,
    You're about to take this forum to another level.
    Thanks !
     
  15. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    For WW1 we also have the 1901 census. I reckon most of the WW1 non-comms will be home deaths. (and much harder to research than those missing in GRO, overseas). They are never all going to be found. But if you find your man in 1901, you have his age, which helps a lot when searching the death indices. Death certificates are essential, unless you have a service record which records death.
    Lads, I'm sure you have it already but if you are doing research on any Irish Regiments the 1911 census for the Dublin area is online: National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911 It is hoped to have the whole country's records for 1911 up soon.
     
  16. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Lads, I'm sure you have it already but if you are doing research on any Irish Regiments the 1911 census for the Dublin area is online: National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911 It is hoped to have the whole country's records for 1911 up soon.

    And just to add to GH's good advice, Counties Antrim and Down should be on just before Christmas too!

    [Nice early present for me anyway.]

    D
     
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  17. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    What a fantastic thread......You should be on the MOD's payroll !

    Can I ask.....My ex wifes grandfather died of injuries he received after WW1. Has was gased 2 or 3 times prior to his regiment launching an attack and received a Military Medal for refusing medical attention after the first gas attack- he was a runner delivering a vital message at the time. He passed away in the 1920's I believe.

    I know very little else but I still talk to the ex in laws so I could find out more infomation if need be. Would he qualify if he hasn't already?

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  18. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER Patron

    Hi Andy,

    Is that the personal email of Terry Denham or one that runs through GWF.

    Would there be a problem with that do you think?

    Just playing Devil's Advocate here however it does seem appropriate.
     
  19. AndyBaldEagle

    AndyBaldEagle Very Senior Member

    Geoff

    Its the title of the thread on the WW1 forum

    Andy
     
  20. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Andy

    the cut off date for WW1 is 31 Aug 1921

    Chris
     

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