Originally posted by Gotthard Heinrici@Sep 23 2005, 03:18 PM Jimbo, I understand your reference and am glad of this discussion but it might be useful to check out further references that support your posts and present them. I am enjoying this discussion!! Alright folks, follow the bouncing ball. I didn't come up with this "view" (although I stand corrected, it was not an “SS” Panzer division, still is this material to the point?). I even posted the link to the History Channel documentary that will air again and you can contend with it. That part is not Jimbo's opinion, but rather the folks that carried out the missions. I think I did fair for having to remember the details of a documentary I had seen over a year and a half prior. As far as the recent viewing of the documentary, I had the benefit of watching it with my tail still smoking from the lashes it took from those that identified themselves as experts. If the documentary interviews one of the pilots that flew the mission, and shows the footage of the bombing mission as he voiceovers, and tells the audience their object was for the mission was to break communications and access to the beachhead through Caen, and that Ike ordered it, I am inclined to take him at his word, more so than another historian that is writing it as a retrospective as a composite of hearsay. When one of the commanders of 21st Panzer describes the fact that they had to climb under their tanks for being attacked by fighter/bombers because they were forced to go around the city, and it says they did not arrive at the beaches until 16:00 hours and that it was “too late”, then I am inclined to believe that too. It’s true that the B-26 is not a heavy bomber (it’s a medium bomber) but I was closer calling them B-17s than the folks that were there claiming they were Halifaxes. They were the same color and had a white star on the sides. Also, in the footage, the voiceover of the Panzer commander said “we were very disappointed, we thought our tanks were very good, but we lost 5 in less than ten minutes”, then I am also inclined to believe his tanks were not French tanks. Especially since they show what appears to be him standing near a Panther (Panzer V) in some footage. My mistakes on secondary details (like the fact they were not SS Panzers or were medium bombers instead of heavies) not withstanding, what I have posted here was what the History Channel has presented on the D-Day invasion, not my imagination. 21st Panzer was not sent because of the airborne drop but the airborne drop was sent because of 21st Panzer. The panzer commander said they retreated behind Caen because they were afraid of encirclement, not because of their destuction by Monty. Monty and his troops (what I referred to as “Monty and the gang”) would probably have been decimated if the Panzers had gotten to them on the beach in time. Bradley states that in "A Soldiers Story". So, you put two and two together and you can see they reason they didn’t get to the beach in time is because of the bombing of Caen, ergo making the bombing in Normandy “not" counterproductive, which was the original question posted on this thread right? Am I not at least partially vindicated here?