Originally posted by angie999@Sep 8 2005, 03:55 AM Frankly, if you want to use this forum to have a discussion on national lines about what was wrong with the Brits, then the discussion between you and me is concluded. Angie, Its ironic you would say that because if you scroll back through the posts you will find that this entire tangent was started by some denigrating comments about Bradley and Patton as well as particularly laughing or mocking at Patton for running out of fuel, and all this was in the context of exalting Monty. I personally thought those comments showed an extreme bias myself and was anything but objective discourse. I sense that if my posts don't follow the British "party line" here and give "proper" homage to Montgomery as well as speak of Patton as a pariah, then it invokes a large degree of intolerance. If this is the case, no wonder opinions of Monty and Patton are so homogenized here. If you are wrong about something, you can be certain you will never know it to correct it. I try to give the “reasons” for what I believe things that the actors said and why they I think they had said them. I do this because it greatly reduces rhetoric of biases, and I fail to believe that all ideas about WWII are settled and indisputable to the “approved” historians. I find that intellectual discourse and often more valuable than merely one historians opinion. You can quote all kinds of historians but in the end it all comes down to each one’s opinions of the relevant, sparse facts that are for the most part, equally available to us all. There have been a lot of accusations of “incorrect facts” being quoted even though there are sources of this same information quoted in contrast from all sides of the issue. Yet one view is arbitrarily decreed as the “correct” facts and the other is likewise decreed as “incorrect” facts. In the absence of true absolutes, critical thinking is important. If critical thinking is discouraged, so then I am probably going to be “persona non gratis” in any discussion here because I have never been one to praise the “emperors new clothes” just because it is popular opinion. As long as you accuse me of national biases, I feel it’s fair to say to those that believe themselves to be free from such tendencies, that I see most UK posters have an intense appreciation of all thing British and a hard to mask disdain for all things American, though in rare and gratuitous comments they make sure to state otherwise. Being exposed to a lot of Americans that are fans of WWII history here in the states, I am sure such nationalistic tendencies are mutual but I rarely hear someone speak of the British as a “second class fighter”. There is a huge chip on the shoulder from many American authors including the actors themselves and especially against Hollywood. Americans don’t use Hollywood as source of history. But the biases against the American soldiers are very tangible; though I am sure they are subconscious to those posting them. Oh, sure occasionally a bone is tossed to the American soldier or staff for a good show, but it is as though Britain won the war and America was like an annoying kid brother “tagging along”, getting in the way.