Further info from Jackie. Her sister Brenda says that two of John Myers' sisters' names were Violet (married name Sheffield) and Phyllis. Both lived near Stanningley Bottom, Leeds
Hi Anne This is frustrating as I cannot at the moment tie up any of the John Myers born 1918 mothers maiden names with any births for Violet or Phyllis Myers born 1918 +/- 10 years - ??? Plus there does not appear to be any marriage certs for a Violet Myers to a Mr Sheffield, unless there has been a major transcription error. Does Jackie have any idea where they were born Was Violet only married once?? I'll keep looking - as probably Guy will too TD
Anne, TD Violet and Phyllis lived at Stanningley which is next to Bramley in Leeds. The only Phyllis Myers I could find in Bramley was born in 1909, but doesn't appear in the 1911 census. That leaves the three of us scratching our heads. Guy
Hi Guy Is it one of these ?? Phyllis Myers 1909 Apr-May-Jun Wetherby Yorkshire West Riding Phyllis Emily Myers 1909 Apr-May-Jun Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding TD edited to add: This Phyllis Myer born 1909 appears in the 1911 census: Phyllis Myers Parents Ernest,Myra born Apr-May-Jun 1909 Daughter (Child) Rotherham, Yorkshire-West Riding there is another: Phyllis Myers 1909 Apr-May-Jun Wetherby Yorkshire West Riding trouble again is that are are both born in the same quarter This is of course assuming that they were born in that area or even Yorkshire
Hi Anne Perhaps we need to ask Jackie (if she wants) to obtain a copy of Johns marriage cert (details as below) as it may include a name of one of his parents, unless she already has one of course, and assuming that both his parents were still alive in 1944 to attend and witness the ceremony. It would provide (if the info is on it) some factual information to move on with. Name: John Myers Spouse Surname: Kitchen Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1944 Registration district: Bradford Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 9b Page Number: 40 TD
Hi Guy IF this is the same one her baptism cert is: Name: Phillis Myers Birth Date: 27 Apr 1909 Parish: Holbeck, St Matthew and New Wortley, St John the Baptist Baptism Date: 19 May 1909 Father's name: John William Myers Mother's name: Louisa Myers Which could mean the John William we are researching was named after his father, and we also would know his mothers first name (Louisa) Her birth cert details as you found: Name: Phillis Myers Registration Year: 1909 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Bramley Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9b Page: 332 Mind you there are still 3 born in the same quarter : Phillis Myers 1909 Apr-May-Jun Bramley Yorkshire West Riding Phyllis Myers 1909 Apr-May-Jun Wetherby Yorkshire West Riding Phyllis Emily Myers 1909 Apr-May-Jun Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding If we knew which one then Jackie could obtain the birth cert for the mothers maiden name, TD
TD, I found them in the 1911 Census with the Knowles connection. Noah Knowles the brother in law is listed. Guy
Well found Guy, this is starting to go forward. I have pasted below the same info from the census only to make it easier to read for others: Name: John William Myers Age in 1911: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Armley and Bramley County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 5 Hoyle St Leeds Marital Status: Married Occupation: Coopers Labourer Registration district: Bramley Registration District Number: 499 Sub-registration district: Wortley ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 26884 Household Members: Name Age John William Myers 30 Louisa Myers 29 Phillis Myers 1 Noah Knowles 19 So using mothers maiden name 'Knowles' for the birth of a John William Myers born 1918: Name: John W Myers Mother's Maiden Surname: Knowles Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918 Registration district: Bramley Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 9b Page Number: 327 Perhaps Jackie also needs a copy of that TD
Jackie's been busy down the registry office today. She should get the marriage certificate in a couple of weeks and she's got to speak to Head Office about a birth certificate for John because he wasn't born in Bradford. Don't know if it helps, but the address on Jackie's own birth certificate is "Spinkwell Lock House, Canal Road, Bradford". It's not there any more apparently Anne
Going off track a moment sorry . An interesting story here about Spinkwell Lock House http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/tahistory/featuresnostalgiapasttimes/3842972.My_happy_life_by_the_locks/
I hope you all had a good Easter break Jackie has now supplied me with her parents' marriage certificate (attached). I also attach a document showing all the details which we have so far gleaned (though some are still to be completely verified) Her father's birth certificate still to come, but I note that his father was called John Myers and was a labourer as described in the census Also one of the witnesses might have been a Myers - is it a Leslie Gordon Myers?? Does this help us get any further on the trail of potential relatives of Jackie's father Johnny Myers. I'll send on the birth certificate soon as it is received Many thanks Anne
Oops - should really look before I leap - given the info above and if my reading of the signature is correct we must have the right chap???? Anne
Anne, TD The father, John William Myers was a cooper's labourer and he died in Bramley in 1918 aged 38 Guy