Driver "Johnny" Myers RA

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  1. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Guy

    Thanks for that - as I said in an earlier post(s) without more info its a guessing game.

    TD
     
  2. tedfromscrubs

    tedfromscrubs Junior Member

    Further info from Jackie. Her sister Brenda says that two of John Myers' sisters' names were Violet (married name Sheffield) and Phyllis.

    Both lived near Stanningley Bottom, Leeds
     
  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Anne

    This is frustrating as I cannot at the moment tie up any of the John Myers born 1918 mothers maiden names with any births for Violet or Phyllis Myers born 1918 +/- 10 years - ??? :banghead: Plus there does not appear to be any marriage certs for a Violet Myers to a Mr Sheffield, unless there has been a major transcription error.

    Does Jackie have any idea where they were born
    Was Violet only married once??

    I'll keep looking - as probably Guy will too :(

    TD
     
  4. tedfromscrubs

    tedfromscrubs Junior Member

    You're a trooper TD - many thanks for keeping on keeping on :) :) :)

    Anne
     
  5. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Anne, TD

    Violet and Phyllis lived at Stanningley which is next to Bramley in Leeds. The only Phyllis Myers I could find in Bramley was born in 1909, but doesn't appear in the 1911 census.

    That leaves the three of us scratching our heads.

    Guy
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Guy

    Is it one of these ??

    Phyllis Myers
    1909 Apr-May-Jun Wetherby Yorkshire West Riding

    Phyllis Emily Myers
    1909 Apr-May-Jun Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding

    TD

    edited to add:
    This Phyllis Myer born 1909 appears in the 1911 census:

    Phyllis Myers
    Parents Ernest,Myra born Apr-May-Jun 1909 Daughter (Child) Rotherham, Yorkshire-West Riding

    there is another:

    Phyllis Myers
    1909 Apr-May-Jun Wetherby Yorkshire West Riding

    trouble again is that are are both born in the same quarter :( :mad:

    This is of course assuming that they were born in that area or even Yorkshire
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Anne

    Perhaps we need to ask Jackie (if she wants) to obtain a copy of Johns marriage cert (details as below) as it may include a name of one of his parents, unless she already has one of course, and assuming that both his parents were still alive in 1944 to attend and witness the ceremony. It would provide (if the info is on it) some factual information to move on with.


    Name: John Myers
    Spouse Surname: Kitchen
    Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1944
    Registration district: Bradford
    Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
    Volume Number: 9b
    Page Number: 40

    TD
     
  8. tedfromscrubs

    tedfromscrubs Junior Member

    Thanks TD - I've passed on your suggestion
     
  9. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    TD,
    It was this Phyllis Mears born 1909, Bramley.

    Guy
     

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  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Guy

    IF this is the same one her baptism cert is:
    Name: Phillis Myers
    Birth Date: 27 Apr 1909
    Parish: Holbeck, St Matthew and New Wortley, St John the Baptist
    Baptism Date: 19 May 1909
    Father's name: John William Myers
    Mother's name: Louisa Myers

    Which could mean the John William we are researching was named after his father, and we also would know his mothers first name (Louisa)

    Her birth cert details as you found:

    Name: Phillis Myers
    Registration Year: 1909
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration district: Bramley
    Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
    Volume: 9b
    Page: 332

    Mind you there are still 3 born in the same quarter :

    Phillis Myers
    1909 Apr-May-Jun Bramley Yorkshire West Riding

    Phyllis Myers
    1909 Apr-May-Jun Wetherby Yorkshire West Riding

    Phyllis Emily Myers
    1909 Apr-May-Jun Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding

    If we knew which one then Jackie could obtain the birth cert for the mothers maiden name, :(

    TD
     
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  11. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    TD,
    I found them in the 1911 Census with the Knowles connection. Noah Knowles the brother in law is listed.
    Guy
     

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  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Well found Guy, this is starting to go forward. I have pasted below the same info from the census only to make it easier to read for others:

    Name: John William Myers
    Age in 1911: 30
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
    Relation to Head: Head
    Gender: Male
    Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
    Civil Parish: Armley and Bramley
    County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
    Country: England
    Street address: 5 Hoyle St Leeds
    Marital Status: Married
    Occupation: Coopers Labourer
    Registration district: Bramley
    Registration District Number: 499
    Sub-registration district: Wortley
    ED, institution, or vessel: 14
    Piece: 26884
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    John William Myers 30
    Louisa Myers 29
    Phillis Myers 1
    Noah Knowles 19

    So using mothers maiden name 'Knowles' for the birth of a John William Myers born 1918:


    Name: John W Myers
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Knowles
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
    Registration district: Bramley
    Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
    Volume Number: 9b
    Page Number: 327

    Perhaps Jackie also needs a copy of that

    TD
     
  13. tedfromscrubs

    tedfromscrubs Junior Member

    Jackie's been busy down the registry office today. She should get the marriage certificate in a couple of weeks and she's got to speak to Head Office about a birth certificate for John because he wasn't born in Bradford.

    Don't know if it helps, but the address on Jackie's own birth certificate is "Spinkwell Lock House, Canal Road, Bradford". It's not there any more apparently

    Anne
     
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  15. tedfromscrubs

    tedfromscrubs Junior Member

    Yes I saw that too :) :)
     
  16. tedfromscrubs

    tedfromscrubs Junior Member

    I hope you all had a good Easter break

    Jackie has now supplied me with her parents' marriage certificate (attached). I also attach a document showing all the details which we have so far gleaned (though some are still to be completely verified)

    Her father's birth certificate still to come, but I note that his father was called John Myers and was a labourer as described in the census

    Also one of the witnesses might have been a Myers - is it a Leslie Gordon Myers??

    Does this help us get any further on the trail of potential relatives of Jackie's father Johnny Myers.

    I'll send on the birth certificate soon as it is received

    Many thanks

    Anne
     

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  17. tedfromscrubs

    tedfromscrubs Junior Member

    Oops - should really look before I leap :) - given the info above and if my reading of the signature is correct we must have the right chap????

    Anne
     
  18. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Leslie Gordon Myers was the brother born in Bramley in 1912.

    Guy
     
  19. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Anne, TD
    The father, John William Myers was a cooper's labourer and he died in Bramley in 1918 aged 38
    Guy
     
  20. tedfromscrubs

    tedfromscrubs Junior Member

    That doesn't quite tie in with Joseph HR being born in 1922......

    And where's Phillis gone??
     

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