Recordings of German Military in Captivity

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  1. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Don't forget that although it is free you have to book online and tickets will be waiting for you at the box office.

    I have also been told that if you arrive by car you can drive up Snakes Lane to the nearby parking areas.

    Ron
     
  2. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    an equally exciting time can be held on that same day of 22nd July 2012 here in Agassiz B.C. Canada with the celebration of yours truly's 88th Birthday anniversary - at least the speeches will be shorter
    again - ALL are welcome
    Cheers
     
  3. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    an equally exciting time can be held on that same day of 22nd July 2012 here in Agassiz B.C. Canada with the celebration of yours truly's 88th Birthday anniversary - at least the speeches will be shorter
    again - ALL are welcome
    Cheers

    If we are ALL welcome, are you paying for flights?;)

    Lesley
     
  4. canuck

    canuck Closed Account

    If we are ALL welcome, are you paying for flights?;)

    Lesley

    I doubt that but Tom might chip in on a new bathing suit for you!
     
  5. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Lesley

    the airfares are not too bad - if you look at the schedule from say Heathrow - Vancouver
    the flight time is only 90 minutes - just about the same for Paris .....

    Cheers
     
  6. Worldwarstoday

    Worldwarstoday Junior Member

  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  8. Worldwarstoday

    Worldwarstoday Junior Member

    The photograph is indeed genuine and was taken at the Berghof on 4th April 1944. The occasion was Hitler awarding additional Oak Leaves to existing Knight's Cross holders.

    1. Werner Streib
    2. Gerhard Barkhorn
    3. Erich Walther
    4. Kurt Bühligen
    5. Hans-Joachim Jabs
    6. Bernhard Jope
    7. Reinhard Seiler
    8. Hansgeorg Bätcher
    9. Horst Ademeit
    10. Johannes Wiese
    11. Fritz Petersen
    12. Maximilian Otte
    13. Walter Krupinski
    14. Erich Hartmann
     
  9. Worldwarstoday

    Worldwarstoday Junior Member

    Earlier thread:
    Hitler's Generals complicit in the Holocaust?


    Yes indeed, I had a look at that. There seemed to be some question as to whether or not the photograph was genuine. Indeed, it was taken at the Berghof on 4th April 1944.

    Probably by either Heinrich Hoffman or Walter Frenz.

    The occasion was Hitler awarding additional Oak Leaves to existing Knight's Cross holders:

    1. Werner Streib
    2. Gerhard Barkhorn
    3. Erich Walther
    4. Kurt Bühligen
    5. Hans-Joachim Jabs
    6. Bernhard Jope
    7. Reinhard Seiler
    8. Hansgeorg Bätcher
    9. Horst Ademeit
    10. Johannes Wiese
    11. Fritz Petersen
    12. Maximilian Otte
    13. Walter Krupinski
    14. Erich Hartmann

    I wish I could take the credit for the list of generals and senior officers at the meeting but alas, it came from other sources online.

    :rolleyes:


    Some may think it's rather pointless reproducing the whole article on my blog when it's already available on the Daily Mail website. But there is method to my madness.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the Mail (and other newspapers too) followed The Times example and go down the subscription only route within the next year or so. Which means all existing articles would be hidden behind a paywall which is a great shame.

    The Daily Mail is an odious right-wing newspaper but many of their historical articles on WW2 are interesting and usually well-researched.
     
  10. Vitesse

    Vitesse Senior Member

    I wouldn't be surprised if the Mail (and other newspapers too) followed The Times example and go down the subscription only route within the next year or so. Which means all existing articles would be hidden behind a paywall which is a great shame.
    Not if you know where to look :D

    Most public libraries offer access to the Newsbank database, which archives text-only versions of online articles from all the UK national dailies - including paywalled ones like The Times and FT - and many other UK and US papers, usually available 24 hours after original publication. Most of their database goes back to the mid-90s.
     
  11. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Forgive me if I get this thread back onto the subject for which it was originally intended.

    My wife & I took part in the "Experience" yesterday and although I have reservations about the way the subject was treated, I felt that on the whole it was very well done and that most of those who participated learned a lot about the use of British Intelligence during WW2.

    The most effective section of the event was when we sat in one of the rooms that were bugged and listened to actual recordings that had been made coupled with the English translations of what was being said.

    We also visited the cellars where the "listeners" were permanently based.

    Most of the pics below are self explanatory but I will be glad to expound on any that are not.

    The Secret Listeners: Trent Park’s Top Secret War History- Middlesex Uni, 22 July 2012 « The Oral History Noticeboard

    Ron

    ps
    More about the history of Trent Park and the role played by Philip Sassoon here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Philip_Sassoon,_3rd_Baronet
     

    Attached Files:

  12. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Trent Park gave us the best indication of what was intended to come when General Von Thoma,captured in North Africa, started to talk freely with his old friend and fellow POW,General Cruewell regarding the appearance of the V weapons against London.Thoma expressed surprise to Cruewell who he had not seen for some time that he was "surprised that London was not yet in ruins from a rocket bombardment".This conversation was recorded on 22 March 1943 and confirmed to MI 6 that the existence of these rockets was not after all, a mare's nest as Prof Cherhill had declared.The fact that Thoma also said in his conversation that he had visited a firing range in Germany "where giant rockets were being tested" put MI6 in an offensive mode,resulting in Bomber Command attacking the manufacturing and test station at Peenemunde on 18 August 1943.

    It would be interesting if all these recorded conversations were published.There should be sufficient material for a dedicated publishing.
     
  13. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Harry

    With reference to your remark
    It would be interesting if all these recorded conversations were published.There should be sufficient material for a dedicated publishing.
    I couldn't agree more.

    The snippets of conversation that we listened to on Sunday were quite fascinating but went too quickly for us to note or remember with accuracy.

    One can't help wondering what the Jewish listeners in Trent Park's cellars must have felt when they heard reference being made to the way that Germany was dealing with it's "Jewish Problem" !

    Ron

    ps
    Found this article on the Jewish Chronicle Online:
    The Germans who bugged for Britain | The Jewish Chronicle
     
  14. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    Harry

    With reference to your remark
    It would be interesting if all these recorded conversations were published.There should be sufficient material for a dedicated publishing.
    I couldn't agree more.

    The snippets of conversation that we listened to on Sunday were quite fascinating but went too quickly for us to note or remember with accuracy.

    One can't help wondering what the Jewish listeners in Trent Park's cellars must have felt when they heard reference being made to the way that Germany was dealing with it's "Jewish Problem" !

    Ron

    ps
    Found this article on the Jewish Chronicle Online:
    The Germans who bugged for Britain | The Jewish ChronicleThe transcripts of the conversations were published in full in 2005:

    Tapping Hitler's Generals: Transcripts of Secret Conversations, 1942-45, edited by Sönke Neitzel, Frontline Books.

    Tapping Hitler's Generals: Transcripts of Secret Conversations, 1942-1945: Amazon.co.uk: Sonke Neitzel: Books
     
  15. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Peter

    At the risk of asking a silly question, transcribed and translated into English ?

    Ron
     
  16. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    Ron,

    Yes, translated by Geoffrey Brooks with an introduction by Ian Kershaw. All the transcripts are there, with notes etc it's a 416 page book.

    Peter
     
  17. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Peter

    Much relieved...... i am now in the process of acquiring a copy

    Thanks

    Ron
     
  18. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Tapping Hitler's Generals by Sonke Neitzel arived in the post this morning and I can't put it down !

    Ron
     
  19. Driver-op

    Driver-op WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    The Daily Mail published an article yesterday about a German author's book SOLDATEN, published in Germany soon to be available in the UK. It concerns German and Italian POWs at Trent Park, Herts. Microphones in all the rooms picked up their conversations which were listened to by German speaking Brits. The admissions of the POW's atrocities, committed by the Wermacht airforce and navy, as well as the SS were made in the belief they were entitled to do, so no guilt.
    I have always believed the Wermacht was capable of atrocities on a large scale, so have not been surprised by the article.
    SOLDATEN by Sonke Neitzel and Harald Welzer, published by Simon and Schuster at £25. I asume this is the German version.
     
  20. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    As it seems to crop up with such regularity. I've merged all the threads I could immediately find on the Nietzel/Welzer books, and Recordings of Captured Germans.
    If anyone can find any more (I'm sure there are more) specifically related to the subject - give me a shout.
    ~A
     

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