More help with family members needed

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by ade, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. ade

    ade Member

    hi all, had a lot of help from you guys researching my grandfather, now I am trying to find more info on his two brothers
    Sub lieutenant j b Ganner 809 sqn died 12/07/1942, I know he was killed in an air crash accident flying off of HMS Victorious but not much else
    And
    SGT L H Ganner who was in the raf flying out of squires gate in no.3 school of general reconnaissance, I know he was in a crash landed Blackburn Botha on 20/07/1942 and survived but don’t know where he went from there, I found some info that had him as a warrant officer in 1944 but can’t find any other info or service number, any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you
    Ade
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Sub-Lieutenant (A) GANNER, JOHN BERTRAM
    Died 12/07/1941

    H.M.S. Victorious.
    Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve

    Commemorated at LEE-ON-SOLENT MEMORIAL

    Location: Hampshire, United Kingdom
    Number of casualties: 1927

    Cemetery/memorial reference: Bay 2, Panel 6.

    Died in an air crash off the Norwegian coast whilst on exercise.


    North East War Memorials Project - Every Name A Story Content

    FAA, 809 Sqn, Victorious, air crash

    GANNER, John B, Ty/Sub Lieutenant (A), RNVR, killed

    POWELL, Leslie, Ty/Leading Airman, FAA/FX 79197, killed
    Royal Navy casualties, killed and died, July 1941

    [​IMG]
    Sub-Lieutenant (A) John Bertram Ganner...
     
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  4. ade

    ade Member

  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    For service records you only need death cert and date of birth
    for the casualty you have all the detail you require to send off for the service records
     
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Date: 20-JUL-1942
    Time:
    Type: [​IMG]
    Blackburn Botha I
    Owner/operator: 3 S of GR Royal Air Force (3 S of GR RAF)
    Registration: W5142
    C/n / msn:
    Fatalities: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 5
    Aircraft damage:
    Location: Moel Wnion, Carneddau Mountains, Wales - [​IMG] United Kingdom
    Phase: En route
    Nature: Training
    Departure airport: RAF Squire's Gate
    Destination airport:
    Narrative:
    Stalled onto the mountain, crew survived:
    F/Sgt J.M Foster
    F/Sgt L.Moss
    Sgt L.H Ganner
    Sgt J.Haig
    Sgt J.A Rawlinson

    Incident Blackburn Botha I W5142, 20 Jul 1942
     
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  7. ade

    ade Member

    I did find this but thank you, I can’t find any more info on him after this, my mum seems to recollect him saying he was a navigator in a bomber, but this is the only entry about him I can come up with
     
  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Ade

    you wont find anything else about him on the internet
    you need the official service records from the link I provided
    do not pay for anything on the internet re both the people you are searching you will not get anything

    regards
    Clive
     
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  9. ade

    ade Member

    Ok Clive thank you for your help, I will go down your suggested route, although when I looked on the gov site it said I would need the service number for L H Ganners records...
     
  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    service numbers do help but are not essential for service records

    TD
     
  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    AS you now know he died in 1941 not 1942

    UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
    Name: John B. Ganner
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: abt 1920
    Death Date: 12 Jul 1941
    Death Age: 21
    Death Place: At Sea
    Ship: Victorious
    44994_adm_104_113-0235.jpg

    UK, Navy Lists, 1888-1970
    Name: John Bertram Ganner
    Year: 1941
    Book Title: Navy List: April, 1941
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    TD
     
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  12. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA Patron

    When a casualty is listed on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, you don't need to get a death certificate, when applying for service records. You can download the forms and no evidence of kinship required either.

    I've ordered ten records myself over time and have three on order currently with no kinship links. You still have to pay the £30 for each set of records.
     
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    timuk Well-Known Member

  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Ha - thought the other name was a little odd - Leslie Prisoner of Warell, it is in fact:

    UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947
    Name: Leslie Powell
    Age: 22
    Birth Date: abt 1919
    Death Date: 12 Jul 1941
    Cemetery: Naval Memorials United Kingdom Lee-On-The-Solent
    Burial Country: England
    Father: William Thomas Powell
    Mother: Florence Winifred Powell
    Regimental Number: FAA/FX 79197
    Region or Memorial: Memorial Register

    UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
    Name: Leslie Powell
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: 10 Jul 1919
    Birth Place: Devynock, Breconshire
    Death Date: 12 Jul 1941
    Death Age: 22
    44994_adm_104_135-0309.jpg

    TD

    Forgot to add that hes also mentioned here next to J B Ganner
    44994_adm_104_113-0235.jpg
     
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  15. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Aircrew Remembered have now corrected the transcription error shown in #13.

    Thanks for contacting Aircrew Remembered
    This appears to be originated during the transition of the supplied database into out database and was not picked up.
    The errors have now been corrected.

    Tim
     
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