Help ! Tracked Afv Id answer Bagtignolles Chattillon DP 3

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by redcoat, Nov 9, 2005.

  1. redcoat

    redcoat Senior Member

    Can anyone ID this AFV ?
    Its been doing the rounds of military history forums, but nobody can ID it
    can you put me out my misery :(

  2. ourbill

    ourbill Senior Member

  3. mattgibbs

    mattgibbs Senior Member

    Its not a Char B in my opinion, similar though, which means it could be French, Belgian, Dutch or some other captured european vehicle.
    Its not an LTV either. Its not a Grosstraktor as far as the wheel configuration goes.
    I wonder if it is some kind of captured one off or prototype. The slogan on the side would seem to be a humourous indication of what those fitters [?] or drivers/crew think of it.
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Did you ever get a convincing ID on this?
    My little group of tank-t**ts are still being annoyed by it. We've rambled over the truck in the background, veered about on the actual nationality of the troops, swung back to the original and more obvious position then got carried away over the uniforms trying to agree on a date. The obviously wrong and the annoyingly close have been suggested and the best suggestion from one mate is that the suspension is very Vickers (though that throws up more questions and debate about possible amphibians)..... we've not failed yet including rusted 90% missing hulks with a couple of roadwheels in shot but this does seem to be in a different class.
    In Short.
    We understand your Misery.
    Can you now help us.?
  5. redcoat

    redcoat Senior Member

    Did you ever get a convincing ID on this?
    Can you now help us.?
    Sorry Von Poop, but the B**** thing is still unidentified :(
  6. spidge


    I sent some emails around the world and came up with zip. Tank experts, Tank Museums etc.

    All the replies were negative.
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  8. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

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  9. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    What is surprising is some of the troops have jackboots, while others look like British army shirt sleeve order.
    I never travelled in one, nor have I seen one, but there was an armoured vehicle known as an "Unfrocked Priest" It was a Priest armoured mobile gun.

    Several of them had their guns removed and they were used as armoured troop carriers. They were then called "Unfrocked Priest's"


    Sounds daft? But that is what they were called...In this case It is the only suggestion I can think of? What does puzzle me is the appearance of the troops.... A right old mixture......But not too much can be derived from that. My section setting off for action, looked pretty much like a band of Pirates.
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  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Anyone still got Redcoat's original picture?
    I found a few candidates but now can't find the thing to compare properly.
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Found it (original picture that is):
    There's a few possible candidates on the Chars Francais site, if we're looking at an experimental vehicle then it's possible the side armour/skirting would differ
    ? - ARL char lourd 1937
    ? - AMX 1939
    Not really happy with either of those, maybe it's time to email the Chars Francais bloke as his site's becoming the definitive one on French stuff... unless it's Belgian... or Dutch... or Soviet... or... ummmm.
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  13. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    I'm still having nightmares over that picture. I have stared at it for so long I'm beginning to recognise those blokes faces. Spooky.
  14. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Senior Member

    I suspect it is one of the Grosstraktor built in the early 30's by DB. I don't have the photos / book with them in front of me so I will look later today. The rear having the rounded edges and the way the tarp on top looks like it is covering two possible "lumps" appear to match what I remember of looking at this vehicle (it had a conical main turret and a smaller rear conical machinegun turret). The hull was rounded at joints and the vehicle was amphibious.
  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Been back to Grosstraktors several times TA but still haven't seen one that really fits. I do hope you're right.
    1929 Krupp is the closest to hand but as Matt says it just doesn't quite match.

    I keep being distracted by the vehicle in the background, looks very like a Quad. Could have multiple implications but I keep looking for pics of them on German proving grounds just to see if this thing turns up in the background.
  16. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Senior Member

    The Krupp model is somewhat similar to the DB one but the later is a welded vehicle with rounded features so it matches the photo closer I suspect. Will know for sure on that part a bit later tonight when I can look at the photos.
  17. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    This is the Rheinmetall Grosstraktor, I flipped the image so that it faces the same way. It is close but not quite right, it looks a little smaller too.

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  18. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Senior Member

  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    This one's definitely 'above average' difficulty ;)
    I get the feeling it's only really going to be answered by serendipity one day...
    Until then it's a Neubau-Char-lvt-Traktor-Wagen...

    The horrible thought of some sort of film set occurs, but the 'atmosphere' of the pic seems wrong for that.
  20. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    These Polish chaps seem to have enjoyed the same dilemma (poster with the suspicious moniker of BODziu ??) :
    Pancerne ciekawostki 4 - Ogólnopolski miesiêcznik ODKRYWCA
    They appear to have settled on leichte or Grosstraktor (I fear that's still not there) but as I have to rely on Web-translation I'm not entirely sure...

    bodziu000000 A czy nie jest to Leichte Traktor .
    bodziu000000 AND whether is not this Leichte Tractor.

    Cypis masz racje co do tego Panzerwagena.Leichtetraktor raczej odpada,mysle ze to jeden z Grosstraktorow(Uklad jezdny podobny do GT od Kruppa).Gdzies mialem fotke.
    Cypis you've you said it as far as that goes Panzerwagena.Leichtetraktor rather odpada,mysle with this one ex GrosstraktorowUklad ( roadway congenial with GT ex mialem fotke.

    Ten na Fotce to Grosstraktor wyprodukowany prze Kruppa w roku 1929,moze ta Fota co ja Bodziu wyszabrowal przedstawia pozniejsza wersje GT???
    This to Fotce this Grosstraktor manufactured prze Krupe on year 1929,moze this Fota what me Gores wyszabrowal represents pozniejsza versions GT???

    Tu mamy Leichte - odpada.
    Herein we've Leichte drop off


    Bodston, have you been asking the Poles? ;)


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