My grandfathers two brothers James Obrien b 1884 d 1917/1918 and John Obrien b 1893 d 1917 /1918,from Dunbar ,East Lothian were killed in WW1. I am trying to find their graves but no joy so far .. I found two possibles, but not sure if they are the right ones . one joined in Dunbar ,one in Glasgow .They are on our local war memorial,so I am pretty sure they are my great uncles . I did have the info of where they joined up ,but for some reason it has been deleted on my tree ,probably my fault . A friend found two names,one in Coxyde Military cemetery , and one in Berlin S C. Grateful if anyone could help find them .Common names don`t help ! EP
Hi EP Its a little late here in France but I will have a look through Ancestry tomorrow (or in fact later today) TD
Hi EP I guess the info you found was : O'BRIEN, J Rank: Private Service No: 41641 Date of Death: 12/09/1917 Regiment/Service: Royal Scots 5th/6th Bn. Grave Reference III. H. 8. Cemetery COXYDE MILITARY CEMETERY Additional Information: and O'BRIEN, J Rank: Private Service No: 3951 Date of Death: 05/11/1918 Regiment/Service: The Buffs (East Kent Regiment) 8th Bn. Grave Reference XIX. B. 3. Cemetery BERLIN SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY Additional Information: I am just starting to research these 2 brothers so any additional info or confirmation of details would be appreciated TD edited to add: Searching for O'Brien, died WW1 in CWGC provides 646 results and 193 have the initail 'J'
Could this be your James O'Brien - ??? 1891 Scotland Census about James O'Brien Name: James O'Brien Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1885 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Patrick O'Brien Mother's name: Bridget O'Brien Gender: Male Where born: Dunbar, Hadd Shire Registration Number: 706 Registration district: Dunbar Civil Parish: Dunbar County: East Lothian Address: North St Occupation: Scholar ED: 7 Household schedule number: 83 LINE: 12 Roll: CSSCT1891_371 Household Members: Name Age Patrick O'Brien 35 Bridget O'Brien 35 Helen O'Brien 10 Bridget O'Brien 9 Patrick O'Brien 8 James O'Brien 6 Catherina O'Brien 4 Allanora O'Brien 2 Margaret O'Brien 3 Mo Was the other brother called John Henry O'Brien ?????? TD
A few bits and pieces at findmypast. Looks like the same family TD. Edit: Info at Scotlandspeople website attached
Then this might be the John O'Brien we are looking for: Web: Ireland, Census, 1911 about John Obrien Name: John Obrien Gender: Male Age: 26 Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation to Head: Son Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911 Townland/Street: Shanvaghera District: Knock North County: Mayo Household Members: Name Age Patrick Obrien 58 Bridget Obrien 68 Michael Obrien 36 Bridget Obrien 28 John Obrien 26 Presumably the O'Briens moved from Ireland to Scotland in the 1870's - 1880's. James appears to have joined the TA in 1903, having tried to apply to the Army but was rejected (as per Amberdogs image). He at some point ended up in the The Buffs (Royal East Kent Reg) with whom he served in WW1 and was killed 5 Nov 1918. His brother John presumably moved back to Ireland with his parents (Ireland 1911 census), then sometime 1911 - 1914 he for some reason returned to Scotland and signed up with the Royal Scots - it may be that his full name is John McMillan O'Brien as per the image from Amberdog, and was killed 21 Sep 1917. Some guesswork involved here. TD
The spanner in the works comes with John Henry O'Brien who has parents of the same name but appears in the 1901 & 1911 census living in Liverpool. There is also a sister Helen with about the same birth date. 1901 England Census about John H O'brien Name: John H O'brien Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Father: Patrick O'brien Mother: Bridget O'brien Birth Place: Liverpool Civil Parish: Kirkdale Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Kirkdale ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3467 Folio: 77 Page Number: 25 Household schedule number: 148 Household Members: Name Age Patrick O'brien 48 Bridget O'brien 38 Helen E O'brien 18 John H O'brien 11 Eugene O'brien 9 Mary J O'brien 8 Annie O'brien 4 The thick plottens :P TD
Could this be the marriage of their parents: Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910 about Pat O'Brien Name: Pat O'Brien Gender: Male Marriage Date: 15 Nov 1875 Marriage Place: Haddington,East Lothian,Scotland Spouse: Bridget Gilhooly FHL Film Number: 6035516 Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910 about Bridget Gilhooly Name: Bridget Gilhooly Gender: Female Marriage Date: 15 Nov 1875 Marriage Place: Haddington,East Lothian,Scotland Spouse: Pat O'Brien FHL Film Number: 6035516 They would be approx 20 years old at the time and also the location would seem to fit. TD
OK have found the O'Brien family tree on Ancestry: patrick obrien Birth 1855 in Kilfinnane ?Limerick, Ireland Death Dec 21st 1916 in 16 West Port, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland patrick obrien 1830 – helen maloney 1830 – Spouse & Children bridget gilhooley 1856 – 1914 mary ann obrien 1878 – 1879 Ellen Obrien 1880 – 1941 Bridget O`brien 1881 – Patrick 0`brien 1883 – 1942 james obrien 1884 – 1917 Catherine Obrien 1886 – Annie-Norrie O`Bryan 1888 – 1936 Margaret Obrien 1890 – 1970 john obrien 1893 – 1918 Michael O`brien 1896 – 1963 james obrien Birth 1884 in Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland Death 12TH SEPT 1917 in FRANCE AND FLANDERS Death 1917 12 Sep Age: 33 FRANCE AND FLANDERS Killed in action WW1 Royal Scots, Lothian Regiment . Details of Patrick O'Brien: Marriage to bridget gilhooley 1875 15 Nov Age: 20 Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland Patrick O`brien 19,soldier 64th Regiment (LIMERICK) res Belhaven Dunbar to Bridget Gilhooly 20 Mill Worker ,single . St Mary`s Catholic Church Haddington ,East Lothian TD
It has been a while but I now have some information that I have found on James and John Obrien ,which I have put on my tree on Ancestry (porteousi). John Obrien was b 4th March 1893 ,Dunbar East Lothian ,Scotland . His parents were Patrick O`Brien and Bridget Gilhooly . I think you found his siblings ! I have now found he joined up on 31st Aug 1915 and sent to France .He was captured at the Battle of Loos on 29th Sept 1915.and sent to Stendal P.O.W. Camp, Germany ,with a bullet in his lungs . He died on 5th Nov 1918 ,in Berlin ? P.O.W. He is buried in Berlin South Western Cemetery, Stahnsdorf, Germany . plot XIX ROW E. James is a little more complicated . B 5th Dec Dunbar, East Lothian ,Scotland .I have his Militia Attestation for joining the Royal Navy on 9th Dec 1903. I have his service sheet ,but it finishes with his demob in 1919 at Chatham Naval Base . There the trail goes cold ! He is on our local war memorial as well as his brother, so not sure what happened to him . Hope this is some use to you