Naval Personnel Buried On Shore, But Listed On Naval Memorials

Ok , thank you I understand now . I'm new to this well genealogy, what an amazing thing you're doing chris ! Thanks again

 

KERR, EDGAR BOWES
Rank:
Engine Room Artificer 1st Class
Service No:
P/M24738
Date of Death:
23/02/1945
Regiment/Service:
Royal Navy
H.M.S. Excellent
Grave Reference:
Sec. H.H. Grave 10.
Cemetery:
UPHALL CEMETERY
Commemoration Moved From Portsmouth Naval Memorial.

 

Lieut-CommanderGARRETT, WILLIAM JOHN
Died 21/06/1945

H.M.S. President II.
Royal Navy

At present listed on Chatham Naval Memorial his grave has been found at Bridgetown & Berry Pomeroy Church Cemetery, Devon.

 

Commemoration now moved from Chatham Naval Memorial.

 

Commemoration moved to Corner Brook Anglican Township Cemetery, Canada, Newfoundland and Labrador. On further investigation it was found that his body had been exhumed & then reburied at Corner Brook.

 

Matthew Joseph Spencer
1919–1944
BIRTH JUNE 2, 1919 • Burgeo, Newfoundland, Canada
DEATH 24 JAN 1944 • At Sea, Newfoundland, Canada


Web: Canada, Virtual War Memorial Index, 1900-2014
Name: Matthew Joseph Spencer
Rank: Leading Seaman
Death Date: 24 Jan 1944
Cemetery: PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL ; Devon, United Kingdom
Grave Reference: Panel 101. Column 1.
Force: Navy
Unit: Royal Navy
Division: H.M.S. President III
Service Number: D/JX 201699
URL: Home - Veterans Affairs Canada...

Matthew Joseph Spencer - The Canadian Virtual War Memorial - Veterans Affairs Canada

UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Name: Matthew Joseph Spencer
Event: Death
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1919
Birth Place: Burges, Newfoundland
Death Date: 23 Jan 1944
Death Age: 24


TD

 

A question to which I do not know the answer.
As well as L/S Spencer there was another death on the same day (23/01/44) from the same ship - AB Alfred John Sharp
C/JX 391875, also buried in Digby (Forest Hill) Cemetery.
Both were DEMS gunners and both are recorded in the Register of Deaths - Naval Ratings as having Died on War Service rather than by accident.

Above Post indicates death by drowning but are there any clues as to the event that caused this?

Tim

 

UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Name: Alfred John Sharp
Event: Death
Birth Date: 7 Dec 1923
Birth Place: Camberwell,London
Death Date: 23 Jan 1944
Death Age: 20


In the column for Cause of Death the number 1 signifies 'Died on War Service'

This database shows as timuk states they died on the same day 23 Jan 1944


On the Rocks: Shipwrecks of Nova Scotia - Maritime Museum of the Atlantic, Halifax, Nova Scotia
Residents in the Digby Neck area reported hearing three explosions on the night of January 23, 1944. In the following days 10 bodies were found washed ashore along the Digby coastline. Four of the bodies were identified as being from the overdue AIKATERINI T. The cause of her loss was never determined. Postwar records showed no German submarines were in the area. There is a remote chance that she may have struck a stray floating sea mine, but a more probable account suggests a coal dust explosion. AIKATERINI T. was quite an old vessel at the time of her loss which may have contributed to hull or engine failure.

TD


Royal Navy casualties, killed and died, January 1944
Sunday, 23 January 1944
Aikatemine, steamship
SHARP, Alfred J, Act/Able Seaman (DEMS), C/JX 391873, (President III, O/P), killed

Monday, 24 January 1944
Aikaterini, steamship
SPENCER, Matthew J, Ty/Act/Leading Seaman, D/JX 201699, (President III, O/P), killed

 

TD - that's brilliant.
Title of thread really should be 'Naval Personnel buried on shore, but listed on Naval Memorials'.

Tim

 

TD

 

Caracas Southern General Cemetery Venezuela

- BRADE, Paul Harper FAA/FX 95958

Cemetery = LEE-ON-SOLENT MEMORIAL Hants

(Grave Unmaintainable)

Sadly a move in the wrong direction. I think this is down to the present political situation.

 

Details are from a family tree on Ancestry:


Paul was a Leading Airman in the Royal Navy-H.M.S. Goshawk ~Service No:FAA/FX 95958.He was 18. The aircraft in which he was travelling crash-landed on the Paria Peninsular, Venezuela, South America, on November 16, 1943. At the time, his remains could not be found and therefore, for many years he was commemorated as ‘missing’ on the Fleet Air Arm Memorial, Lee-on-Solent.
The wreckage and his remains were recovered in 1972 and he was interred in Caracas Southern General Cemetery and his grave is marked by a CWGC pedestal Marker
His brother, Lieutenant Kenneth Harper Brade , Service No:267944, aged 22, also died on service.He served with the Royal Engineers and rests in Assisi War Cemetery, Italy.
They were sons of Robert Harper Brade and Marie Louise Brade [nee Dalby] of Streatham,South London.
Gravesite Details As at April 2015, CWGC is working with the local British Embassy to attempt to improve the grave site of this casualty.


UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Name: Paul Harper Brade
Event: Death
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1924
Birth Place: West Norwood, London
Death Date: 16 Nov 1943
Death Age: 18


Global, Find A Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current
Name: Paul Harper Brade
Birth Date: 1925
Birth Place: Lambeth, London Borough of Lambeth, Greater London, England
Death Date: 16 Nov 1943
Death Place: Venezuela
Cemetery: Caracas Southern General Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Caracas, Capital District, Venezuela
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125400503 - this link is the same as the initial history of the subject


TD

 

A/Leading Airman Brade was flying in a Stinson Reliant as an Observer under training. HMS Goshawk was the FAA Flying Training Establishment at Piarco, Trinidad.
From CWGC:

I cannot find any other casualties from this accident. Which begs the question who was the pilot (and other aircrew?) and did they survive?

Tim

 

Hmmm - there doesnt seem to be anyone killed that day from Goshawk - perhaps they were from another 'ship'

UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Name: Paul H. Brade
Event: Death
Birth Date: abt 1926
Death Date: 16 Nov 1943
Death Age: 17
Death Place: Calf of Paria (Nr Trinidad)
Ship: Goshawk


TD

 

From: Family History - Royal Navy and Naval History.Net
16 November 1943
Carlisle, drowning
CASSTLES, Wallace E, Act/Engine Room Artificer 4c, D/MX 90374, died
Elementary Flying Training School No.12, Ontario, air crash
BILLINGTON, Samuel E, Ty/Act/Leading Airman, FAA/FX 582017, killed
Exeter, as POW
BRADLEY, Joseph D, Leading Air Fitter (E), FAA/SFX 435, died
FAA, 752 Sqn, Goshawk, air crash
BRADE, Paul H, Ty/Act/Leading Airman, FAA/FX 95958, killed
Faulknor, evacuation of Leros
PHIPPS, Alan, Lieutenant, killed
MMS.103
DONLAN, Albert, Seaman, RNPS, LT/JX 277821, MPK

No other naval casualties that fit the area that day.

Tim

 

Able Seaman
MELODY, JAMES JOHN
Service Number C/JX 238795

Died 18/04/1946

Royal Navy

Chatham Naval Memorial

Liverpool Ford RC Cemetery.

 

Ordinary SeamanCLARKE, EDWARD
Service Number P/JX 197459

Died 04/05/1941

H.M.S. Victory
Royal Navy

Portsmouth Naval Memorial

Liverpool Ford RC Cemetery.

He lays in the same grave with his wife, son & daughter who were killed in the air raid on Liverpool 3/4 May 1941. They died at the air raid shelter at the Holy Cross School.