24th Lancers - Roll of Honour

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  1. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Ex-24th Lancer - Arthur George Axtell...

    Casualty Details | CWGC

    LANCE CORPORAL ARTHUR GEORGE AXTELL
    Service Number: 7927852
    Regiment & Unit/Ship: Royal Armoured Corps
    2nd Fife and Forfar Yeomanry.
    Date of Death: Died 05 April 1945
    Age 34 years old
    Buried or commemorated at: HANOVER WAR CEMETERY, 7. K. 2. Germany
    Country of Service: United Kingdom
    Additional Info:
    Son of Frederick and Lucy Axtell; husband of Elizabeth Axtell, of Wandsworth Common, London.
    Personal Inscription
    OUR DARLING DADDY. LOVED BY ALL WHO KNEW HIM.

    See also: 11th Armoured Division, Tank Casualties, 1945
     
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  2. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Paul Alexander WEATHERS (194218)

    The 24th L - War Diary - Has...

    24th L - War Diary -
    25/9/41 The following Officers were posted to this Regiment from 51st Training Regiment RAC:- 2/Lieuts. R.A.Cook, C.W.A.Coulson, R.S.Greenhill, D.M.Howard, D.Middleton, J.L.M.Normansell, P.A.Weathers, E.A.A.Webb, R.S.P.Thursten.

    And...

    7/4/42 2/Lt.P.A.Weathers was posted to the 51st Training Regiment RAC.

    There are a few entries in the London Gazette... for instance...

    4056 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 15 JULY, 1941
    RTR
    Paul Alexander WEATHERS (194218)
    .

    And...

    1202 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 14 MARCH, 1947
    The undermentioned 2nd Lts. (War Subs. Lts.) from Emerg. Commns. R.T.R. to be Lts. with seniority as' shown:
    4th Aug. 1946:—
    Paul Alexander WEATHERS (194218), 1st Oct. 1942.


    Plus...
    3794 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 5 AUGUST, 1949
    Short Serv. Commn.
    Capt. P. A. WEATHERS (194218) from Active List to be Capt., 4th Aug. 1949, retaining his present seniority.
     
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  3. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Ex-24th Lancer Charles William Alfred Coulson (201375)

    The 24th L - War Diary has...

    24th L - War Diary -
    25/9/41 The following Officers were posted to this Regiment from 51st Training Regiment RAC:- 2/Lieuts. R.A.Cook, C.W.A.Coulson, R.S.Greenhill, D.M.Howard, D.Middleton, J.L.M.Normansell, P.A.Weathers, E.A.A.Webb, R.S.P.Thursten.

    The London gazette has...
    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 26 AUGUST, 1941 p4943
    Warwickshire Yeomanry
    Charles William Alfred Coulson (201375)

    And page 4126 - SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE; 17 SEPTEMBER, 1943...

    Has...
    ROYAL ELECTRICAL AND MECHANICAL ENGINEERS.
    War Subs. Lts.
    5th Mar. 1943 :—
    • C. W. A. Coulson (201375) from Warwickshire Yeo. R.A.C
     
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  4. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Charles John Geoffrey (Geoff ) STANLEY - 232716

    24th Lancers at disbandment has...

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    THE EAGLE Volume PDF Free Download

    Has...

    Charles John Geoffrey (Geoff ) STANLEY

    "OBITUARIES 1937 STANLEY, Charles John Geoffrey (Geoff ), great nephew of John Edward Marr (1875) and cousin of Francis Alleyne Marr (1913), died 9 January 2018, aged ninety nine. After Eton College, Geoff read Natural Sciences (Physics, Chemistry and Geology). The first Cox to captain the LMBC, he competed in the Bumps, the Henley Ladies Plate and the Putney Head of the River and became Captain of Cambridge University Coxwains Society. During the War, Geoff served in the Royal Tank Regiment and was evacuated from Normandy after Dunkirk. He returned on D-Day with the 24th Lancers and also served in Belgium and Northern Germany with the 11th Armoured Division HQ, ending the War as Captain. Geoff then joined the British Plastics Federation, retiring in 1974 as Chief Executive, a role involving him in the UK negotiating team when the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) was formed and subsequently as Secretary of the EFTA Plastics Association. Geoff was a Fellow of the Plastics Institute and published The Moulding of an Industry. In retirement he was active in the Kent Trust for Nature Conservation. In 1942 Geoff married Marjorie, who predeceased him. They had two sons, Chris and Martin WOOTTON."

    And... Have a litte hope

    Has...

    "The Past Inspiring the Future
    The past can provide inspiring examples of behaviour and achievement. I was reminded of this in early January when I learnt of the recent, sad loss of two very important figures in the BPF’s heritage.
    One was Geoff Stanley, General Manager of the BPF from the mid 1950’s to the mid 70s. A Cambridge graduate, he’d joined the BPF just after being demobbed after the War. I’d had the great privilege of meeting him twice, a man of great modesty, who’d been a junior officer in a tank regiment.
    He described his involvement in a pitched battle with the SS in Normandy as if it was a mere walk in the park on a quiet afternoon. It was Geoff who negotiated the insertion of the UK’s plastics materials and products into the European Free Trade Association’s trading arrangements. He was also the author of the BPF’s history, ‘The Moulding of an Industry’."
     
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  5. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    1939 Register
    21 St John's Road, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire

    Name - DOB - Occupation - Marital status
    Charles J G Stanley - 10 Oct 1918 - Student - Single
     
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  6. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Marmaduke / Markaduke John MATTHEWS (132586)

    In "None Had Lances" (p12) as John Matthews, the 24th Lancers' Regimental Signals Officer.

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    3092 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 24 MAY, 1940
    Has...
    REGULAR ARMY. EMERGENCY COMMISSIONS, ETC.
    The undermentioned Cadets, from 110th Officer Cadet Training Unit, to be 2nd Lts.
    18th May 1940:—
    Somersetshire,
    Markaduke John MATTHEWS (132586)

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 6 JUNE, 1941 p3209...
    Has...
    REGULAR ARMY EMERGENCY COMMISSIONS, ETC. ROYAL ARMOURED CORPS. 24th L.
    The undermentioned 2nd Lts. are transferred as stated, retaining their present seniority : — 4th Feb. 1941 : —
    M. J. Matthews (132586), from N. Somerset Yeo. (T.A.)

    &
    Page 806 - SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 9 FEBRUARY, 1945
    ROYAL CORPS OF SIGNALS.
    War Subs. Lt. M. J. Matthews (132586) from 24th L. to be War Subs. Lt., 1st Jan. 1945, retaining his present seniority.

    &
    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 14 DECEMBER, 1945 p6089
    RAC
    War Subs. Lt. M. J. MATTHEWS (132586), from R. Sigs., to be War Subs. Lt., 15th Dec. 1945, retaining his present seniority.

    &
    Page 2068 - SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 9 MAY, 1947
    Has...
    17th/21st Lancers
    War Subs. Capt. M. J. MATTHEWS (132586) from R.A.C., to be War Subs. Capt., 10th May 1947, retaining his present seniority.
     
  7. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. 2nd Lieutenant Ernest John (Jack) Ormrod - 299454

    He is referenced as having been wounded, after the disbandment of the 24th Lancers, with the 3rd RTR.

    He is referenced in the London Gazette:
    Re. His comission - 31st Oct. 1943: —
    7961285 Ernest John ORMROD (299454)


    &

    December 1945
    War Subs. Lt. E. J. ORMROD (299454) relinquishes his commn. on account of disability, 17th Dec. 1945, and is granted the hon. rank of Lt.

    There is also an online pdf
    "In 1944, Lieutenant Kenneth Taylor of the Green Howards recorded his experiences in an ‘illegal’ wartime diary. Mr Taylor presented a transcript of his diary to the Green Howards Regimental Museum. Serving soldiers were forbidden from keeping diaries, so he wrote his entries secretly every evening in a ‘liberated’ German exercise book. In it he details his experiences in 1944 from D-Day in June through to the end of the year."

    With a mention of "Jack" Ormrod...

    "Monday 31 July, 44
    Went to Bayeux for lunch. Met Jack Ormrod in Lion d'Or from 24 Lancers. Had a party in mess at night with 6 Sisters from 9th General Hospital. Had a lot of fun and went to bed at 0400hrs
    ."
     
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  8. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Lieutenant Donald James Drake MC - 269613

    Recommendation for Award for Drake, Donald James Rank: Lieutenant Service... | The National Archives

    Prior to D-Day Commander of the 2nd troop of "A" Squadron of the 24th Lancers.

    Posted on the disbandment of the 24th Lancers to the 23rd Hussars.

    London Gazette has...

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 11th MAY, 1943 page 2109
    The undermentioned Cadets to be 2nd Lts.: —
    ROYAL ARMOURED CORPS. 3rd Apr. 1943: — Donald James DRAKE (269613).

    Page 4044 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 31 AUGUST, 1944
    The Military Cross
    Lieutenant Donald James Drake (269613), Royal Armoured Corps (Lancers) (Codner, Derbyshire).


    24th Lancers Regimental Nominal Roll and Postings August 1944

    Has...

    Lt. Donald James Drake, MC
    Born 23 Feb 1922 in Detroit, Michigan, USA
    Died 2004 in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
     
  9. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    1939 REGISTER
    25 Oaklands Avenue , Romford M.B., Essex

    NAME - DOB - OCCUPATION
    Arthur Drake - 20 Jan 1889 - Motor Engineer Chief Inspector
    Katherine E Drake - 02 Mar 1888 - Unpaid Domestic Duties
    Robert C Drake - 07 Jul 1920 - Tool Maker
    Donald J Drake - 23 Feb 1923 - At School


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  10. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Trooper G. Minshull - 7911684

    Gunner/mechanic in "B" Squadron of the 24th Lancers.

    On the Nominal roll at the disbandment of the 24th Lancers as posted to 270 FDS (Forward Delivery Squadron)

    Along with some others in the 270 FDS he might, perhaps, have gone on the join the 23rd Hussars or perhaps another Regiment in the 11th Armoured Division.

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    Edit: 270 forward delivery squadron | WW2Talk

    And - 270 FWD DEL SQN R.A.C
     
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  11. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Ex-24th Lancer Trooper Cecil Lawrence B.E.M. - 5780693

    Gunner/mechanic in "A" Squadron of the 24th Lancers.

    (Prior to the 24th Lancers - the Norfolk Regiment, and later the Parachute Regiment etc.)

    Cecil Lawrence | ParaData

    Has the picture...

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    Eulogy of Cecil Lawrence B.E.M. | ParaData

    Biographical info including...

    "At sixteen he wanted to join the army and went to the recruitment office that had been set up in the street. He was told he was too young so he went away for an hour or two, came back and saw the same recruitment officer, this time adding a year to his age and he was in. Laurie did his basic training with the Royal Norfolk then on to The (24th) Lancers and when he heard of the newly formed Parachute Regiment he applied to be transferred and after rigorous training he became one of the 9th Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 6th Airborne." etc.

    The London Gazette - 5780693 - has...

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 7 JANUARY, 1949 123
    CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS 0F KNIGHTHOOD.
    St. James's Palace, S.W.I.
    7th January, 1949.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the award of the British Empire Medal (Military Division), in recognition of gallant and distinguished services in Palestine during the period 27th September, 1947 to 26th March, 1948, to the undermentioned:—
    5780693 Warrant Officer Class II (acting) Cecil LAWRENCE, The Royal Norfolk Regiment.

     
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  12. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

  13. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Trooper Leonard John Wallis

    Casualty Details | CWGC

    Has...

    TROOPER LEONARD JOHN WALLIS
    Service Number: 14370468
    Regiment & Unit/Ship: Royal Armoured Corps. 24th Lancers.
    Date of Death: Died 24 May 1945
    Age 29 years old
    Buried or commemorated at WISBECH (MOUNT PLEASANT) CEMETERY. Eastern Div. 3. Sec. C. Grave 359. United Kingdom
    Country of Service: United Kingdom
    Additional Info: Son of Leonard John and Hannah Wallis; husband of Edna May Wallis, of Wisbech.
    Personal Inscription: LIFE MOVES ON BUT MEMORY CLINGS. HIS LOVING WIFE EDNA AND CHILDREN
     
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    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    Curious as he's not mentioned in None Had Lances. I'll be visiting the Wisbech area in the next few weeks and will visit to pay respects.
     
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  15. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Trooper James George Derbyshire - 14231898

    Seems to be absent from the pre-D-Day roll of the 24th Lancers so possibly joined the 24th Lancers just prior to D-Day or in Normandy etc.

    Kia with the 24th Lancers - "A" Squadron - 26d6m1944

    Casualty Details | CWGC

    TROOPER JAMES GEORGE DERBYSHIRE
    Service Number: 14231898
    Regiment & Unit/Ship: Royal Armoured Corps. 24th Lancers
    Date of Death: Died 26 June 1944
    Age 20 years old
    Buried or commemorated at BAYEUX MEMORIAL. Panel 8, Column 2. France
    Country of Service: United Kingdom
     
  16. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Trooper V.C. Sharp - 7959682

    Driver / wireless operator in "A" Squadron of the 24th Lancers

    Posted to the 23rd Hussars on the disbandment of the 24th Lancers.
     
  17. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re.ex-24th Lancer Trooper Leonard Frank Orr - 7961101

    He was - prior to the 4th/7th RDG in the 24th Lancers - where in the records he is shown as either - Trooper L. Orr or Trooper L.F. Ott... - 7961101

    He was in "HQ" Squadron of the 24th Lancers and was an unposted reinforcement attached to 37 RHU on the disbandment of the 24th Lancers.

    He soon after transferred to the 4th/7th RDG and died of Wounds - 28d9m1944... with the 4th/7th RDG...

    Casualty Details | CWGC

    With...
    TROOPER LEONARD FRANK ORR
    Service Number: 7961101
    Regiment & Unit/Ship: Royal Armoured Corps. 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards
    Date of Death: Died (of wounds) 28 September 1944
    Age 21 years old
    Buried or commemorated at ARNHEM OOSTERBEEK WAR CEMETERY. 8. C. 1. Netherlands
    Country of Service: United Kingdom
    Additional Info: Son of L. F. Orr, and of Alice Orr, of Monkseaton, Northumberland.
    Personal Inscription: "HE LEADETH ME BESIDE THE STILL WATERS. HE RESTORETH MY SOUL"

    Additionally...

    This, in the London Gazette, First World War...

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 24 OCTOBER, 1919, 12997
    Ordre de Leopold II. avec Croix de Guerre. Chevalier.
    295715 Artillery Clerk Bombardier (acting Serjeant-Major) Leonard Frank Orr, 11th Corps Headquarters, Royal Artillery (Whitley Bay).


    I think was perhaps his father -
    * His (WW1) father is listed on his (WW2) grave as F.L.Orr - Monkseaton, Northumberland - near Whitley Bay...
     
  18. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    Never saw his father:

    Orr_prob.jpg
     
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  19. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Trooper C.T. Morris - 7928138

    "HQ" Squadron of the 24th Lancers

    An unposted reinforcement transferred to 2 ARG (Armoured Replacement Group) on the disbandment of the 24th Lancers.

    Nb. 7928138 - also appears - multiple times - as the army service number of the 24th Lancers' Sergeant Woodmansee.

    Presumably there is some sort of numerical error in either of the stated numbers, however as they are both used a number of times for both Morris and Woodmansee - without alternatives or corrections - it perhaps wasn't noticed, and hence persisted.

    As shown here, for Trooper Morris...

    24th Lancers Regimental Nominal Roll and Postings August 1944

    And...

    FB_IMG_1621751382482.jpg

    Though Sgt. Woodmansee was wounded - apparently 11d6m1944 - and hence he does not appear on the 24th Lancers Nominal roll at disbandment.

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    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

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