24th Lancers - Roll of Honour

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  1. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

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  2. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Trooper Ralph Hurst - 14231034

    Gunner/mechanic in "B" Squadron of the 24th Lancers.

    Transferred to the 44 RTR on the disbandment of the 24th Lancers.

    Kia - 7d9m1944

    Casualty Details | CWGC

    TROOPER RALPH HURST
    Service Number: 14231034
    Regiment & Unit/Ship
    Royal Tank Regiment, R.A.C. 44th
    Date of Death: Died 07 September 1944
    Age 20 years old
    Buried or commemorated at HEVERLEE WAR CEMETERY. 2. K. 1. Belgium
    Country of Service: United Kingdom

     
  3. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

  4. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    23rd Hussars, C Squadron fitters, Marine Barracks, Husum:

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    My Dad is extreme left. Next to him is "Guglielmo", whom Dad described as a recent arrival.
     
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  5. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Trooper M.J. Guglielmo - 7949908 (He was referenced as Gugliemo pre-D-Day - however Guglielmo*)

    Electrician in "B" Squadron of the 24th Lancers.

    An unposted reinforcement attached to 37 RHU on the disbandment of the 24th Lancers.

    37 Reinforcement Unit Normandy June 44.

    Later posted to 23rd Hussars ;-)

    * Guglielmo - Wikipedia
     
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  6. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. 2nd Lt. Henry Cowan (known as "Harry") - 312305

    From Dunfermline, Fife.

    London Gazette - 20th Feb. 1944.
    14246462 Henry COWAN (312305)

    Joined the 24th Lancers either just prior to D-Day or in Normandy itself.

    Transferred to the SRY with "his" 24th Lancer troop at the end of July / beginning of August 1944...

    Wounded at Geel/Gheel... later 11d9m1944... with the SRY.

    There is an account here, also including mention of a number of other ex-24th Lancers...

    Army rumour service...
    Trooper Riches, Sherwood Rangers RIP

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  7. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Acting Sergeant C. Carr - 318861

    Not present on the 24th Lancers pre-D-Day roll.

    Therefore presumably joined the 24th Lancers in Normandy.

    Whilst with the 24th Lancers he is shown as having been in their "B" Squadron.

    He transferred to the SRY when the 24th Lancers was disbanded.

    Whilst with the SRY Sgt.Carr was wounded in September 1944, and became a prisoner of war. He spent the rest of the war in Stalag XIB at Fallingbostel, Germany and was liberated by British troops on - 16th April, in 1945.
     
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    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

  9. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Jack Hugh SAGGERS, M.B.E. (113449)

    An ex-24th Lancer he appears a number of times in the 24th L War Diary.

    He is mentioned quite often, variously... in the London Gazette...

    Notices | All Notices | The Gazette...

    And appears here...

    Jack Hugh SAGGERS - born 10.12.1910 | The National Archives

    Special Operations Executive: Personnel Files

    with... Okay ;-) does "Access conditions: Closed For 64 years" start counting from some point in the past? Or is that 64 years from now...

    If so... I'll set my timer now so I don't forget... ;-)

    From "None Had Lances"...

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  10. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. John Ninian LITTLE (170957)

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 21 FEBRUARY, 1941 page 10671
    Has reference to his transfer to the 24th Lancers.

    Page 2340 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 4 MAY, 1945
    Has... R.A.C. War Subs. Lt. J. N. LITTLE (170957) from 24th Lancers to be War Subs. Lt., 10th Aug. 1944, retaining his present seniority.

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 19 DECEMBER, 1947 page 55997
    Has... R.A.C. The undermentioned relinquish their commns.: —
    18th Dec. 1947:— War Subs. Capt. J. N. LITTLE (170957) and is granted the hon. rank of Maj.

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 13TH JUNE 1961 page 4369
    Has... Capt. J. N. LITTLE (170957) from A.E. Res. of Offrs., to be Capt., 28th Mar. 1961, retaining his present seniority and is re-granted the hon. rank of Maj.
     
  11. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    2nd Lieutenant John Ironside Money - 311629

    London Gazette - edition published - 4th April 1944 -
    Has... from cadet to be 2nd Lt. 27th February 1944.

    The 24th L Wardiary has: 7/3/44 - 2/Lts J.I.Money and E.R.Thomas joined the Regiment from RAC, OCTU.

    P82 of NHL notes that he landed in Normandy after D-Day in charge of a troop of First Line Reinforcements.

    P159 of NHL notes - Wounded (in the left leg) with the 24th Lancers in Normandy - 26d6m1944.

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    London Gazette -
    RAC - The undermentioned relinquish their commns.: 29th Jan. 1946: —
    War Subs. Lt. J. I. MONEY (311629), on account of disability, and is granted the hon. rank of Lt.


    And see: Person Page
     
  12. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. John Stuart BAILEY (311207)

    From the 24th L - War Diary -
    "Bridlington
    1/2/44 2/Lts Bailey, J.S., Dixon C.C.R and Reader, K.M. joined the Regiment from RAC, OCTU."

    Wounded with the 24th Lancers in Normandy.

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  13. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Peter Anthony CARO (281960)

    24th L - War Diary - has...

    Bridlington
    3/7/43 No.281960, 2/Lt.P.A.Caro, joined the Regiment from RAC, OCTU. Pending posting to 9th Lancers.


    And there are at least a couple of references in the London Gazette...

    Notices | All Notices | The Gazette...

    There is a nice - 9th Lancers - picture of him here...

    Peter Anthony Caro

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  14. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. John Waghorne Houseman...

    The 24th L - War Diary - has...
    5/7/43 No.284423, 2/Lt.J.W.Houseman, was attached to the Regiment pending posting to the Queens Bays.

    London Gazette...
    Notices | All Notices | The Gazette...

    SOE - Houseman, John Waghorne
    Has...

    SURNAME: Houseman
    FORENAME: John Waghorne
    UNIT: Force 136 SOE
    RANK: T/Captain
    NUMBER: 284423
    AWARD: Mention in Despatches, Croix de Guerre (Fr)
    PLACE: Dutch East Indies 1945
    ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
    parent unit 2 Dragoon Guards (Queen's Bay),R.A.C. commissioned 2Lt 26.6.1943 holder M.B.E.


    And...

    The Men of SOE Burma

    Has...

    Captain J.W. Houseman: Operation Character, team Hyena. Captain Houseman was designated Jed Team 32, who parachuted into Burma on 24 April 1945. The team consisted of Major Nevill, Captain Thibault and Sergeant Mason.
    On 26 April, they carried out their first ambush, after which the Hyena area commander, Lt.Col. Howell, ordered the team to establish Hyena Purple. The north part of Purple was under Houseman’s command. In his Purple report, Neville wrote that Houseman had never done this kind of warfare before, and had to lead untrained men against large parties of Japs, doing ‘an absolutely first-class job.’

    Edit: and nb.

    The Plot thickens ;-) :-(

    3886 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 2 JULY, 1954
    Having...
    INTELLIGENCE CORPS.
    Capt. i(Hon. Maj.) J. W. HOUSEMAN, M.B.E. (284423) is removed from the T.A. Res. of Offrs., 18th Mar. 1954 and is deprived of the hon. rank of Maj., on conviction by the Civil Power.


    And...

    There's an SOE - "John Houseman" mentioned in this...

    Phyllia Ormrod obituary

    Albeit - adding complexities... were this perhaps "him" etc...

    There is a picture here... John Houseman and John Lewis

    Of the "John Houseman" from the film...

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    And see also... Ill Met by Moonlight
     
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  15. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    Hard to trace men when they change their surname:

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    Martin John Guglielmo / Williams / Cavendish

    Born 27 Dec 1922 in Edmonton
    Died 20 Feb 2012 in Berkhamsted, Herts
     
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  16. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re... John Edward Joicey
    (b. September 22, 1923, d. July 31, 1981)

    The 24th L - War Diary has...

    6/7/43 No.284426, 2/Lt.J.E.Joicey was attached to the Regiment pending posting to the 9th Lancers.

    &

    22/9/43 2/Lts. P.A.Caro, J.E.Joicey, M.J.Lewis were posted to 57th Training Regiment, RAC.

    Not refd. in NHL, however... MC...
    Recommendation for Award for Joicey, John Edward Rank: Lieutenant Service... | The National Archives

    https://9th12thlancersmuseum.org/vi...6-1945-bright-395jpg?q=Joicey&collection=1715

    John Edward Joicey
    (b. September 22, 1923, d. July 31, 1981) - from...
    Fiona-Joicey-Haltwhistle - User Trees - Genealogy.com
     
  17. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. George Philip Cecil Ribton CRAMPTON - 235562

    (Discounting what might possibly be typos) - possibly also an ex-24th Lancer.... since....

    The 24th L - War Diary has...
    12/6/42 2/Lt.P.R.C.Crampton, RAC joined the Regt from 103rd OCTU.

    And...
    3/8/42 2/Lt.B.Jewell, RAC joined the Regt from 103 OCTU. RAC. And
    2/Lts C.P.R.C.Crampton, RAC. And P.J.Dudding, RAC were posted to 52nd Training Regiment, RAC pending draft.


    On "235562" the London Gazette has...

    Notices | All Notices | The Gazette...

    On "235562" the National Archives has...
    Military Cross - 24th April 1945 - With the 9th Lancers...

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7354999

    And...

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 23 AUGUST, 1945 p4267 has...
    Lieutenant George Philip Cecil Ribton CRAMPTON
    (235562), 9th Queen's Royal Lancers, Royal Armoured Corps (Ontario).
     
  18. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Captain Tom Raymond Parsons - 214523

    According to "None Had Lances" p168 - wounded whilst serving with the 24th Lancers nr. Conde-Sur-Seulles - 13d7m1944 - when the 24th Lancers Regimental HQ was shelled by a 105mm self-propelled gun situated 5 miles away at Hottot.

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    Re. Tom Parsons

    24th L - War Diary - 11/11/41 2/Lieut.T. R. Parsons joined the Regiment.

    -------

    Sybil FINNEMORE - Ceramics Aberystwyth

    Has...

    " Having studied at the Central School of Arts and Crafts during the mid 1920s, she then ran the Yellowsands Pottery in Bembridge, Isle of Wight, with her husband T.R. Parsons. The pottery closed in 1932 but reopened again in 1949 as the Bembridge Pottery which remained active until 1961. Her work was covered in articles in the Pottery Gazette (August 1925) and The Studio (1926 and 1928) "

    There is this too... (a bit of authorship)

    Bembridge Windmill Isle of Wight: A Property of the National Trust by T.R. Parsons: Very Good Soft cover (1111) | Ryde Bookshop Ltd

    Bembridge Windmill Isle of Wight: A Property of the National Trust
    T.R. Parsons
    Published by The National Trust, London, 1111
    Description - About this Item
    Undated edition, probably 1960s, must be later than 1962 as that date is mentioned in the text. Illustrated, stapled booklet, a little light handling wear on the corners. Bookseller Inventory # 058436

    Viewable... Bembridge Windmill Isle Of Wight : T.R.Parsons : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
     
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  19. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Arnold Cass Lycett Wills aka "Toby"

    The 24th L - War Diary - has...
    14/7/41 Capt.A.C.L.Wills attached to 11 Armoured Div School, Leeds.

    Person Page

    Has...

    "Arnold Cass Lycett Wills
    M 76318, b. 17 July 1906, d. 28 February 1978
    Arnold Cass Lycett Wills was born on 17 July 1906.
    He was the son of Arnold Stancomb Wills and Hilda Caroline Lyon.
    He died on 28 February 1978 at age 71, unmarried.
    He was educated at Harrow School, Harrow, London, England. He fought in the Second World War. He gained the rank of 2nd Lieutenant in the 9th Queen's Royal Lancers. He gained the rank of Captain and Adjutant in 1940 in the 24th Lancers.
    "

    Arnold Wills - Wikipedia
     
  20. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Patrick John Dudding - 237389

    The 24th L - War Diary - has...

    15/7/42 2/Lt.P.J.Dudding, RAC joined the Regt from 101st OCTU. RAC.
    Capt.H.H.Hilbury, MBE., 24L., was re-posted to the Regt.


    And...

    3/8/42 2/Lt.B.Jewell, RAC joined the Regt from 103 OCTU. RAC. And
    2/Lts C.P.R.C.Crampton, RAC. and P.J.Dudding, RAC were posted to 52nd Training Regiment, RAC pending draft.


    London Gazette: has... Notices | All Notices | The Gazette...

    And there is an online pdf obituary with...

    Patrick John Dudding (1938)
    Patrick came to Beaumont in 1935 from St Anthony’s Eastbourne leaving in ’38 having been in the Cricket XI. Prior to the War he went to the College of Estate Management but with the outbreak of hostilities he was given a commission in the 9th Royal Lancers to serve alongside other OBs Michael de Burgh and Victor Berry and for a part of that time under the command of Ronald McDonnell. Patrick saw service in the Middle East, the Desert Campaign and Italy and was mentioned in dispatches.
    He had a couple of narrow escapes; one in Tunisia when his squadron was ambushed coming out of a wadi by a battery of 88s. The British thinly armoured tanks had no chance and five tanks went up in flames. Patrick was lucky to survive. On another occasion he came under heavy artillery fire and his tank was hit four times. He rapidly closed his turret hatch and the next shell landed on top of it causing him mild head wounds. Finally, he was reduced to fighting with his bare fists when some German Infantry tried to mount his tank and take his crew prisoner. As the war drew to a close in Italy, he had the pleasure himself of herding several hundred prisoners into a barn with a stout stick for safe keeping on a day when they took a huge “bag” of armoured vehicles and artillery as well as 12 horses, 2 Alsatian dogs and a pony and trap.
    After the War he returned to Land management with the company of William T Bolam & Son at Newcastle upon Tyne of which he became a partner and director. In 1954 he married Eve the daughter of Major General F l M Crossman who had commanded the Anti -Aircraft defences in London during the Blitz and they settled in the village of Woolsington to the north of the city.
    Among his interests was scouting and Patrick served as District Commissioner for the West Castle District and was later Chairman of the Northumberland Scout Council. Patrick died peacefully on 13 June 2013 after a short illness at the age of 92; a wise counsellor and much loved by family and friends.
     

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