Tow vehicles for 2pdr anti tank guns

Discussion in '1940' started by Elenderil, Oct 14, 2013.

  1. Elenderil

    Elenderil New Member

    I have tried to find what the commonest towing vehicles for a 2pdr anti tank gun would have been. Can anyone cast any light on this for me. It's been suggested that Light Dragons might have been used if so would these have had limbers? What additional vehicles, if any, would a battery have deployed? I'm interested both in the official and actual position for the BEF and after Dunkirk.
     
  2. Trux

    Trux 21 AG Patron

    ANTI TANK REGIMENT
    BEF 1940

    War Establishment II/1931/7/3.

    4 X Battery each
    Battery Headquarters
    Major
    Captain
    Subaltern for liaison with unit being supported
    Battery Serjeant Major
    battery quartermaster serjeant
    3 X bombardier
    33 X gunner
    2 X trumpeter

    5 X motorcycle
    2 X 8cwt truck
    2 X 15cwt truck
    1 X 15cwt water
    4 X 30cwt lorry GS

    8 X pistol
    5 X rifle
    2 X Bren lmg
    1 X AT rifle

    Motorcycle 1
    Battery Serjeant Major
    Motorcycle 2
    artificer
    Motorcycle 3
    orderly
    Motorcycle 4
    orderly
    Motorcycle 5
    orderly

    8cwt truck 1
    Major, batman, driver IC
    8cwt truck 2
    Captain, Subaltern, batman, driver IC

    15cwt truck 1
    2 X batman, 2 X trumpeter (as AA gunners), driver IC
    Carries officers mess
    Carries a Bren lmg
    Fitted with a Motley AA mount at the front of the body.
    15cwt truck 2
    cook, driver mechanic
    15cwt truck 3
    motor mechanic, driver IC
    Carries reserve petrol
    Carries an AT rifle
    15cwt truck 4
    gunner, driver
    Carries reserve ammunition
    15cwt truck 5
    gunner, driver IC
    Carries reserve ammunition

    15cwt truck water
    water dutyman, driver IC

    30cwt lorry GS 1
    2 X cook, driver IC
    Carries cooking set and rations
    30cwt lorry GS 2
    2 X artificer, technical storeman, motor mechanic, driver IC
    Carries MT stores
    30cwt lorry GS 3
    battery quartermaster serjeant, clerk, storeman, driver IC
    Carries QM stores and baggage
    30cwt lorry GS 4
    sanitary dutyman, 2 X gunner, driver IC
    Carries spare anti gas capes and reserve clothing

    Troop
    Headquarters
    Warrant Officer Class III
    2 X gunner

    1 X motorcycle
    1 X 8cwt truck

    1 X pistol
    1 X rifle
    1 X AT rifle
    Motorcycle
    orderly

    8cwt truck 1
    Warrant Officer Class III, driver IC
    Carries an AT rifle

    Section
    serjeant
    2 X bombardier
    9 X gunner

    6 X rifle
    2 X Bren lmg
    2 X signal pistol
    Light Dragon 1
    serjeant, bombardier, 3 X gunner, driver IC
    Carries a Bren lmg
    Carries 112 round of ammunition
    Tows 2pdr AT gun
    Light Dragon 2
    Bombardier, 4 X gunner, driver mechanic
    Carries a Bren lmg
    Carries 112 rounds of ammunition
    Tows 2pdr AT gun


    Section
    serjeant
    2 X bombardier
    9 X gunner

    6 X rifle
    2 X Bren lmg
    2 X signal pistol
    Light Dragon 1
    serjeant, bombardier, 3 X gunner, driver IC
    Carries a Bren lmg
    Carries 112 round of ammunition
    Tows 2pdr AT gun
    Light Dragon 2
    Bombardier, 4 X gunner, driver mechanic
    Carries a Bren lmg
    Carries 112 rounds of ammunition
    Tows 2pdr AT gun

    Mike.
     
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  3. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Isn't there a Light Dragon on one of the British Pathé BEF films, scurrying back into Leuven with a 2pdr behind it ?
     
  4. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Alan Philson's BEF Orbat Vol. 2 has each Divisional AT Regiment being issued 48 Light Dragons with a note stating 15cwt truck, GS may be issued instead of Light Dragons as gun tractors.
     
  5. Elenderil

    Elenderil New Member

    Thanks everyone exactly what I was after. Much appreciated.
     
  6. Trux

    Trux 21 AG Patron

    Andy is correct of course.

    15cwts were an alternative. Eventually there would not be enough Light Dragons to go round. Trux Models produced a Bedford MW 15cwt 2pdr tractor. This was a standard 15cwt with the following additions:
    A seat in each corner of the body for the gun crew.
    A spare gun wheel mounted on the front inside of the body.
    Stowage racks over each wheel arch for 2pdr ammunition.
    Most important - a sprung towbar on the rear of the chassis.

    Mike.

    Trux also made the same body on a Morris 15cwt.
     

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