The Experiments.

Discussion in 'The Holocaust' started by Wise1, Apr 24, 2005.

  1. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    Josef Mengele albeit holding the most noteriety was not the only so called doctor that the SS used to carry out their experiments.

    Names such as Brandt, Mozes, Kremer and others were also very much carrying out inhumane tests.

    So to kick this new forum off I though I would just detail some of the experiments carried out in the camps.

    Mustard Gas -

    The effects of mustard gas in the battlefield were all to common death wounds were exposed to it, so SS doctors would inflict serious wounds on prisoners and the infect them with mustard gas, despite the intense pain suffered by most, many were allowed to simply die while being observerd.

    Freeze tests -

    This test was to establish the effects of being severly chilled or even frozen, the prisoners were kept in a tank of ice cold water for up to 3 hours, they would then be warmed up using various methods to see the results and chart the most effective. It was not uncommon for some to be left outside for hours naked to monitor the effects.

    Typhus -

    Many prisoners were infected with disease such as typhus and administered with new drugs to see the results, most often death was the result.

    Autopsies -

    It was all to common that victims would be infected with various types of poision that would kill them quite quickly so that autopsies could be carried out quickly to see the effects on the organs.

    Just a few of the test but there were many more.

  2. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    This is the other thing that makes me upset and enraged about the Holocaust.

    Extermination by brutes, bullies, kleptomaniacs, sadists, I can understand. That is what sadists, bullies, et al., do. Expecting moral filth to behave otherwise is absurd.

    But the medical experiments...these are doctors...trained in the health profession and in the central ideas encapsulated in the Hippocratic Oath -- to practice the arts of healing and to do no harm to their patients.

    Not only did these doctors violate their oath, they committed appalling brutalities that bear no relation to any canon of medical ethics and research, doing so on children, in the most brutal manner.

    It just amazes me that doctors could do that....I can understand medical incompetence, alcoholism, but :(
  3. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    All to often the "propaganda machine" is the method used to be blamed for their actions, however as you say, the point is these people trained in saving lives and preventing death.
  4. Nick

    Nick Member


    i have also read recently that after the war Dr Death (Aribald Heim) set up a GP practise in southern Germany, without any questions by the authorities, how crazy is that !!!
  5. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    Thats true and no surprise, many people dont even realise that some of todays medical advances are down to the experiments carried out by the nazis.
  6. French One

    French One Junior Member

    Thats true and no surprise, many people dont even realise that some of todays medical advances are down to the experiments carried out by the nazis.

    Could you give some exemple?
    Witch Medical Advances? :confused:
  7. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek

    The freeze tests were I believe to help the Luftwaffe in case their pilots ditched in the sea. Probably the Navy also benefitted.

    They also used X-rays to make women infertile. They would sit the woman down on a table which housed the x-ray machine.
  8. Nick

    Nick Member

    here are a few

    Freezing / Hypothermia
    The freezing / hypothermia experiments were conducted for the Nazi high command. The experiments were conducted on men to simulate the conditions the armies suffered on the Eastern Front. The German forces were ill prepared for the bitter cold. Thousands of German soldiers died of freezing or were debilitated by cold injuries.
    The experiments were conducted under the supervision of Dr. Sigmund Rascher at Birkenau, Dachau and Auschwitz . Dr. Rascher reported directly to Himmler. Dr. Rascher publicized the results of his freezing experiments at the 1942 medical conference entitled "Medical Problems Arising from Sea and Winter".
    The freezing experiments were divided into two parts. First, to establish how long it would take to lower the body temperature to death and second how to best resuscitate the frozen victim.
    The two main methods used to freeze the victim were to put the person in a icy vat of water or to put the victim outside naked in sub-zero temperatures.
    The icy vat method proved to be the fastest way to drop the body temperature. The selections were made of young healthly Jews or Russians. They were usually stripped naked and prepared for the experiment. A insulated probe which measured the drop in the body temperature was inserted into the rectum. The probe was held in place by a expandable metal ring which was adjusted to open inside the rectum to hold the probe firmly in place. The victim was then placed in the vat of cold water and started to freeze. It was learned that most victims lost consciousness and died when the body temperature dropped to 25 C.
    Two Russian men were seen by a prisoner doctor in the cold vat. They were very strong men and had said a comment to the SS doctor performing the experiment. The prisoner doctor was shocked at how long the Russian men could take the cold without loosing consciousness. He asked the directing doctor to take them out of the tank. He did not allow this and increased the temperature slightly to prolong their pain. They died after a long painful stay in the tank.
    The second way to freeze a victim was to strap them to a stretcher and place them outside naked. The extreme winters of Auschwitz made a natural place for this experiment.
    The resuscitation or warming experiments were just as cruel and painful as the freezing experiments.
    Sun Lamp
    The victims were placed under sun lamps which were so hot they would burn the skin. One young homosexual victim was repeatedly cooled to unconsciousness then revived with lamps until he was pouring sweat. He died one evening after several test sessions.
    Internal Irrigation
    The frozen victim would have water heated to a near blistering temperature forcefully irrigated into the stomach, bladder, and intestines. All victims appeared to have died from the treatment.
    Hot Bath
    The victim was placed in warm water and the temperature was slowly increased. This method proved to be the best. Many victims died do to shock if they were warmed up to quickly.
    Warming by Body Heat
    Heinrich Himmler sugested to Dr. Rascher that he try to use women to warm the frozen men. He suggested that the victim and a women copulate. This perverted experiment occured with some success. However it was not as successful as the Warm Bath.
    Genetic Experiments
    The Nordic or Aryan Race was the most important goal of the Nazis. It was the largest part of the over all plan. The blonde hair, blue eye, super men were to be the only race. The Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals and anyone else that did not meet the race requirements were to by cleansed from society through genocide. Hitler and the German High command made a list rules for the fellow Nazis to follow. The new rules required all SS before marriage must submit to general testing to insure racial purity. The rules for marriage were unbelievably complex. Thousands of marriages were denied. If the laws for marriage were broken it could mean the death penalty.
    Dr. Sigmund Rascher and his wife learned what not following the marriage laws would hold for their lives. Mrs. Rascher was sterile. They were not illegally married; they adopted two children. They were later investigated by the Gestapo and executed for the crime. In this case, after his medical experimentation, it seems fitting that this killer was caught up by his own party.
    Early in power the National Science groups were pushed into research of the race and experiments commenced. First the party needed propaganda to prove all other races were inferior. Measurements of heads, eyes, nose, blood were required. The vast majority of the early experiments were a propaganda sham. It was determined Gypsies had different blood and were inclined to criminal behavior. The same type of findings were made of all races other than the Nazis.
    After the camps were started, vast genetic experiments were undertaken. The range of the testing was broad and specialized. The two major groups of experiments were first to refine the master race and second to determine the cause of defects.
    Dr. Josef Mengele research on twins and Gypsies exemplifies the quest for the genetic studies. Dr. Mengele was known as the "Angel of Death". He would be at every selection when the new trains would arrive at Auschwitz. After the victims were unloaded off the trains and stripped naked and divided into men, women, and children, he would sort through the thousands of people. Most went straight to the gas chambers and others to hard labor in the camps. The twins, dwarfs, and unique physical specimens were selected to be assigned to the experimental blocks. In many ways the majority who where killed in the gas chambers were much better off than the survivors that had no idea what horrors awaited them.
    Experiments on Twins
    The twins were examined from head to toe. Measurements of every inch were taken. Dr. Mengele demanded specific and careful exams. If any detail was missed the staff, usually a prisoner doctor, would be punished. The twins were allowed to keep their hair for the first several days of the examination. After all the living data was taken the twins would be killed by a single injection of chloroform in the heart. Care was taken to insure the twins died at the same time. The twins were then dissected with the organs being sent to research centers.
    Prisoner doctors tell of the fate of two Hungarian twins who arrived at Auschwitz late in 1943. Dr. Mengele was at the camp selection. The train arrived in the very early morning. Three sets of twins were found. They were taken to the experimental block. Dr. Mengele ordered the two Hungarian twins be placed in the examination room. The two Hungarian twins young men age 18 were described as "extremely athletic and handsome." They had much body hair and were allowed to keep it for the first few weeks. The twins were showered and returned nude to the examination room. The examination started at the head . All parts of their heads were examined. The head examination took almost days. They were then completely X-rayed . The next part of the examination consisted of tubes being forced through their noses and into their lungs. They were then ventilated with a gas which caused them to cough so severely they had to be restrained. The sputum from the lungs was collected for examination.
    The twins were then photographed for several days . The purpose of the photographs were to show hair patterns. They were each forced to stand, bend, and kneel in many positions to accomplish the photographs. For example, they were required to stand with their arms lifted for many hours so the under arm hair could be photographed.
    After the photographs were finished they were awoken very early in the morning. They were taken into a room with tables and a hot water vat. The water in the vat was very hot. They were made to sit in the water until they were ready to pass out from the heat. They were then strapped to a table where their hair was plucked out trying to save the hair root. They were put back into the hot vat several times. After enough hair was collected, they were totally shaven of every hair on their body. The twins were then again extensively photographed without hair.
    The twins then received several two liter enemas which caused them much pain and discomfort. The boys on different days were strapped over a bench table and their rectums were hyper descended after which they received an extensive lower gastric intestinal examination. This extensive procedure was performed without any anesthesia. The young men were crying so loud that Doctor Mengele ordered they be gagged. The next day they received a painful and humiliating urological examination. In this examination tissue samples were taken from the kidneys, prostate, and testicles. Several semen samples were forcefully taken over two days.
    After this three weeks of tortuous medical examinations they were taken two the dissection laboratory. Using two doctors, each twin was simultaneously given an injection in the heart, taking their lives. They were dissected and their organs were sent to the Institute of Biological Racial and Evolutionary Research Berlin.
  9. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    The nazis were also trying to make the super soldier.Half machine half man.It was unsecsesful of course but the project was called "Uber Soldier" and the nazis invest a lot of money,mechanics and etc.
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Just read Nick's post.
    Feel sick now.
  11. spidge


    If it didn't make you sick you would be a psycho yourself.
  12. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    If it didn't make you sick you would be a psycho yourself.
    It was 1944-1945 the human live didnt mean nothing to anyone.The death of 1 milion people didn't mean nothing.
    But of course for the man in nowdays those experiments are sick of course ,and they are made by sick people like Himler,Mengele etc.
  13. spidge


    It was 1944-1945 the human live didnt mean nothing to anyone.The death of 1 milion people didn't mean nothing.

    Maybe not to the perpertrators however to the victims families it meant a great deal even then.
  14. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    Maybe not to the perpertrators however to the victims families it meant a great deal even then.
    Of course it mean great deal for the families ,but for the like to lose a coin.
  15. Marina

    Marina Senior Member

    The experiments seem to me to have no scientific basis at all and are merely an exercise in sadism.
  16. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Oh Yes! I remember all of this very well. But it is odd, for here on this site recently we had a thread Forgive your enemies?
    My attitude was fine! OK. when they bring back to life all the people they murdered tortured and slaughtered.
    That did not meet with universal approval.
  17. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    Oh Yes! I remember all of this very well. But it is odd, for here on this site recently we had a thread Forgive your enemies?
    My attitude was fine! OK. when they bring back to life all the people they murdered tortured and slaughtered.
    That did not meet with universal approval.
    Who are they sapper ?
    The young boys who stayed day and night under the artillary shells of the Russians or Americans agaist there will the young boys who are just like me and you but for one or outher reason they were on the outher side of the front line.Or the guys who stay in the prison camps and kill jews or prisoners just for fun?
  18. Panzerfaust

    Panzerfaust Senior Member

    I guess it's up for debate, but I've read an article in my local newspaper that says there is apparently no "physical proof" that the SS doctors used human skin for lampshades. The author of the article insists that he is not a holocaust denier, but says no real proof has come foward, besides a bunch of hear-say.
  19. handtohand22

    handtohand22 Senior Member

  20. Robby1989

    Robby1989 Junior Member

    What we say in the German population was govt. indoctrination on a massive scale over a long period of time people were repeatedly told to think a certain way until society viewed the holocaust as necessary evil. Morality is largely based on your surroundings. To understand the holocaust you have to examine how a group of people in society will function

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