Sgt. Obs. Ron Mogg, RAFVR

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  1. lugs

    lugs Junior Member

    I'm looking for any details of my wifes Grandfather Ron Mogg who was shot down over Germany? during 1940. He spent the remainder of the war as a guest of the Germans. I have recently been given book written by him under the name 'John Dominy - The Sergeant Escapers'
    I know very little about his time prior to being a PoW and would like to know more, we believe he may have served with the 115th Squadron. He was also awarded an MBE in December 1945.
    Any details of the squadron, the planes, missions and Ron himself would be greatly appreciated

    cheers, lugs
     
  2. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Did Ron Mogg, by any chance,continue service in the Royal Air Force,post war?.
     
  3. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    30 September 1940.

    No.115 Squadron.

    Wellington IC T2549 KO-K.
    Op: Osnabruck.

    Crew.
    P/O. A J J. Steel pow.
    Sgt. L G. Goldie +
    Sgt. R P. Mogg pow.
    Sgt. J Le B R. Walter +
    Sgt. C. Dowsett +
    Sgt. D E. Westwood +

    Took of at 1938 hrs Marham. The name of Sgt. Dowsett is commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, while the rest of those who died are buried in the Reichswald Forest War Cemetery.

    BCL Vol.I - W R. Chorley.



    Sgt. Mogg was held in the following pow camps.

    Stalag Luft I (Barth)

    Stalag Luft III ( Sagan) Sgt Mogg became an assistant to F/S J A G. Deans - NCO Compound Leader.

    Stalag Luft VI (Heydekrug) F/S. J A G. Deans was appointed Camp Leader and F/S. Mogg his deputy.

    Stalag 357 (Thorn and Oerbke).

    Pow No.302.

    'Footprints on the Sands of Time' - Clutton-Brock.
     
  4. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    The crash location of Wellington T2549 was either near the farm of Mr Meyer zu Devern in Grothe (Post Badbergen) or at Hegewisch near Gieske, Talge, Kreis (district) Bersenbrück. Two aircraft were involved, R3292 and T2549.

    R3292 KO-F/155 Squadron was also lost on this raid.

    Thanks to Henk Welting for the above.

    Regards
    Peter
     
  5. lugs

    lugs Junior Member

    Many thanks Peter, that's just the kind of information I'm seeking. Would F/S. J A G. Deans be 'Dixie' Deans?
    We have in our possession many letters and photographs Ron sent from the several camps in which he was imprissioned. It would be nice to try and put names to faces.
    Harry, yes, I believe Ron saw service in Korea, but I'm not sure if this was with the RAF.
    Would there be any service papers available for Ron?
    Once again many thanks for your contributions,

    cheers, lugs
     
  6. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    Would F/S. J A G. Deans be 'Dixie' Deans?
    cheers, lugs

    Hi lugs,

    F/S. J A G. Deans was indeed 'Dixie Deans'

    Regards
    Peter.
     
  7. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    Would there be any service papers available for Ron?
    lugs

    Why not apply for his personel service record which will give the info you need.

    Service records - RAF

    Service records of RAF Officers that served prior to 1922 and Airmen that served prior to 1924 are held at the National Archive.

    Service records for Officers and Airmen that served after these dates are retained by the Royal Air Force. RAF service records are retained by Service Number, Rank and Full Name, and will also contain the Date of Birth. It is important that as much of this information as possible is provided to assist in locating the correct record.
    Enquiries about RAF held records should be made as follows: From Current/Former RAF Personnel.

    A Subject Access Request (SAR) form needs to be completed and sent to:

    RAF DPA SAR Section
    Room 220
    Trenchard Hall
    RAF Cranwell
    Sleaford
    LINCS
    NG34 8HB

    01400 261201
    Ext 8175
    Ext 8172
    Ext 8173

    From Family Members and Other Authorised Individuals
    A Certificate of Kinship form needs to be completed and sent to:

    RAF Disclosures Section
    Room 221b
    Trenchard Hall
    RAF Cranwell
    Sleaford
    LINCS
    NG34 8HB

    01400 261201
    Ext 6711
    Ext 8161/8159 (Officers)
    Ext 8163/8168/8170 (Other ranks)
     
  8. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    As a Kriegie,Dixie was reported to be a thorn in the side of the Germans.
     
  9. lugs

    lugs Junior Member

    As a Kriegie,Dixie was reported to be a thorn in the side of the Germans.

    I don't doubt it Harry

    Great stuff Peter, I'll get the forms downloaded and sent off asap. Many thanks for your help once again,

    cheers, Jon
     
  10. mmmogg

    mmmogg Junior Member

    lugs, I was so pleased to find your post. I am researching my family tree and have been trying to find info on Ron Mogg. He is my grandmother's cousin! Do you have details of who his father was? We can not work out if it was Percival. Harold or Reginald (assuming we have the generation right- I think Leopold died young). They were George Thomas Mogg's sons. Any details you have would be gratefully received. Many thanks.
     
  11. lugs

    lugs Junior Member

    mmmogg,

    appologies for not returning sooner, hopefully you'll read this post and make contact.
    Percival was Rons' father. I have plenty of other info if you'd like to get in touch,

    cheers, Jon
     
  12. Pat Jackson

    Pat Jackson Junior Member

    I'm looking for any details of my wifes Grandfather Ron Mogg who was shot down over Germany? during 1940. He spent the remainder of the war as a guest of the Germans. I have recently been given book written by him under the name 'John Dominy - The Sergeant Escapers'
    I know very little about his time prior to being a PoW and would like to know more, we believe he may have served with the 115th Squadron. He was also awarded an MBE in December 1945.
    Any details of the squadron, the planes, missions and Ron himself would be greatly appreciated

    cheers, lugs
    Dear mmmogg
    Your grandfather was a prisoner in Heydekrug with my father, Warrant Officer R C S Hancock. I have my Dad's PoW log book, with a sweet poem in it in your grandfather's own handwriting - and dedicated to me!! If you find this and reply, I'll be delighted to scan and send it to you. I have the excellent 'The Sergeant Escapers', which told me so much about my Dad (who suffered a stroke in 1985, aged just 71). All best wishes, Pat Jackson
     
  13. Pat Jackson

    Pat Jackson Junior Member

    Any info about my father, Hank Hancock, who was sole survivor of Whitley bomber Z9280, crashed Driesum, Friesland, on 27 February 1942? His pilot was Leslie Hugh Parkin, DFC. Pilot of German night fighter was Heinz Vinke, aged 21, his first victory out of 52 before he was MIA February 1945.
    My father was based RAF Leeming and was a Navigator Observer of the Whitley. He was due home for RAF Marham back from Wilhelmshaven when he was shot down. The courageous people of Driesum, Friesland, sheltered him for as long as they could before he set out on the frozen canal to be subsequently captured. He was a POW in Stalag Lufts VIIIB (Lamsdorf), III (Zagan), IV (Heydekrug) and Torin and Fallingbostel (357) and liberated on 16 April 1945.
    Any information gratefully received.
     
  14. MJB

    MJB Junior Member

    Hi.
    It is just over 50yrs since I started studying POW camps in Germany during WW2. Over the years I have built a reasonable collection of POW related books. Two that I have which may be of interest in respect of Mogg and Deans are [1] 'For This Alone and other poems' by Sgt. R.P.L Mogg, illustrated as lithographs by Sgt J.W.Lambert written Germany 1943 and printed to facsimile. [2] 'Yorkshire Post' by Pape dedicated to Deans. This is his personal copy signed by him and apparently carried by him on his bicyle during the 'Long March'. It is handmade and shows the ravages of time.
    I have only just found this site!
    Regards
    Mike [MJB]
     
  15. mmmogg

    mmmogg Junior Member

    mmmogg,

    appologies for not returning sooner, hopefully you'll read this post and make contact.
    Percival was Rons' father. I have plenty of other info if you'd like to get in touch,

    cheers, Jon
    Thank you for your reply. Ron Mogg was my mothers cousin. I am doing a family tree so thanks for the info on Ron's father Would love to have other info Have got his book on the prisoners of war escape. I have only just got back to this site since 2009.Best wishes Marguerite
     
  16. Marks

    Marks Senior Member

    I was just looking in the book 'The Air Efficiency Award 1942-2005, Christopher Brooks

    MOGG R.P.L W/O Date 28/11/1946 744979 RAFVR M.B.E
    MOGG R.P.L Captain 22/2/1961 TA (Territorial Army) A.E 1st Clasp wef
    (with effect) 28/4/1953

    Unusual to gain a clasp for an Air Force medal while serving in the Territorial Army. It would seem he must have served in the RAFVR after WW2. The eligibility for this award changed after the war, hence his claim while a Captain !

    Mark
     
  17. J.Jels

    J.Jels Junior Member

    I was just looking in the book 'The Air Efficiency Award 1942-2005, Christopher Brooks

    MOGG R.P.L W/O Date 28/11/1946 744979 RAFVR M.B.E
    MOGG R.P.L Captain 22/2/1961 TA (Territorial Army) A.E 1st Clasp wef
    (with effect) 28/4/1953

    Unusual to gain a clasp for an Air Force medal while serving in the Territorial Army. It would seem he must have served in the RAFVR after WW2. The eligibility for this award changed after the war, hence his claim while a Captain !

    Mark

    Interesting stuff you have found here Marks :huh:
     
  18. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    My father was a P.O.W. and I recall him mentioning Dean, but not Mogg.

    An amusing aside. My father was shot down on his last op of his second tour.


    When he arrived at Heydekrug he was interviewed by the Senior British Officer who would presumably have been Dean. He told him that his first duty was to try to escape, to which my father replied, “It’s taken me two years to get here, I’m staying!”

    Well that's the story in the family!
     
  19. rmh

    rmh Junior Member

    lugs, do you know what dates Ron was in Stalag luft iii and if he played any part in the Great Escape? Also do you have any details on how Percival George died? I know he was buried in St Souplet but have no other details. Percival was my Nan's cousin. Thanks.
     
  20. rmh

    rmh Junior Member

    Any info about my father, Hank Hancock, who was sole survivor of Whitley bomber Z9280, crashed Driesum, Friesland, on 27 February 1942? His pilot was Leslie Hugh Parkin, DFC. Pilot of German night fighter was Heinz Vinke, aged 21, his first victory out of 52 before he was MIA February 1945.
    My father was based RAF Leeming and was a Navigator Observer of the Whitley. He was due home for RAF Marham back from Wilhelmshaven when he was shot down. The courageous people of Driesum, Friesland, sheltered him for as long as they could before he set out on the frozen canal to be subsequently captured. He was a POW in Stalag Lufts VIIIB (Lamsdorf), III (Zagan), IV (Heydekrug) and Torin and Fallingbostel (357) and liberated on 16 April 1945.
    Any information gratefully received.
    Pat, Please could I have a copy of the poem you have? I have a copy of Ron's poetry book 'For This Alone' and would love another poem from him. Thank you.
     

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