Now & Then - For A Change: Maginot 1940

Discussion in '1940' started by Paul Reed, Jan 17, 2009.

  1. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    For a change how about a Now & Then... I took the photo below in November 2007 when I went back to Villy la Ferte to show a friend what a section of the Maginot Line looks like. This is said friend looking into the 155 turret.

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  2. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Couple of weeks ago this photo came up on eBay. Unfortunately I didn't get it, but it is an almost exact comparison!!

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  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Nice one!
    Your mates best side?
     
  4. cash_13

    cash_13 Senior Member

    I'm sure you put that photo on just for me Paul!:D
     
  5. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Sorry you missed out on that Photograph ,have mine for free!
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    Regards
    Verrieres
     
  6. MLW

    MLW Senior Member

    Paul - you wrote that it is a 155 turret. The turret is actually an arme-mixte, or AM, turret armed with two 25mm cannons and four (twinned) 7.5mm machine guns. [FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]
     
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  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    What a coincidence!

    Cheers Paul
     
  8. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Wow!! That is truly freaky!!!!
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Anyone care to play spot the difference?
    Those blokes peering in and the general framing appear identical, but on the lower image things have moved.

    Somebody's been photoshopping... The only conceivable way of doing it is by manipulating the above image to produce the other, that debris on the floor and the chap on the left show a fair few blending artifacts.
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  10. 51highland

    51highland Very Senior Member

    Quite well done though, they moved the standing soldier with hands behind his back to behind the turret.
     
  11. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Adam

    Most interesting and exceedingly well illustrated.

    I know I've probably shown this before but one of the advantages of being an "oldie" is that you can get away with stuff for which others might be pilloried :)

    On pages 59 & 60 of my Army Album are two German propoganda leaflets .

    They purport to be two individual British wounded soldiers being treated so kindly by their German counterparts.

    For my money they are the same chap, study his nose, but unless you had both leaflets in front of you you wouldn't realise that.

    Just a thought

    Ron
     

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  12. englandphil

    englandphil Very Senior Member

    Anyone care to play spot the difference?

    Those blokes peering in and the general framing appear identical, but on the lower image things have moved.

    Somebody's been photoshopping... The only conceivable way of doing it is by manipulating the above image to produce the other, that debris on the floor and the chap on the left show a fair few blending artifacts.
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    I would actually say that the lower image has been digitally alterered. The soldier that has been moved has the exact same look on his face and there is blurring to the side of the turret where he was stood in the original.

    Phil
     
  13. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek

    Might be a silly question. but why alter it? I don't see the point.
    As Phil said it looks like the lower one has been played with.
     
  14. englandphil

    englandphil Very Senior Member

    ive also took the liberty of removing the text, if anyone actually wants a copy of the image.
     

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  15. englandphil

    englandphil Very Senior Member

    Might be a silly question. but why alter it? I don't see the point.
    As Phil said it looks like the lower one has been played with.

    The only reason I can see is that to add the clear image of the German stamp, the figures on the left hand side needed to be erased,

    P
     
  16. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Paul - you wrote that it is a 155 turret. The turret is actually an arme-mixte, or AM, turret armed with two 25mm cannons and four (twinned) 7.5mm machine guns.

    Thanks for that. I had always presumed it was a twin 155 based on my experience of visiting WW1 forts.
     
  17. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Anyone care to play spot the difference?
    Those blokes peering in and the general framing appear identical, but on the lower image things have moved.

    Somebody's been photoshopping... The only conceivable way of doing it is by manipulating the above image to produce the other, that debris on the floor and the chap on the left show a fair few blending artifacts.
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    How odd?? Why would they do that??
     
  18. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    ive also took the liberty of removing the text, if anyone actually wants a copy of the image.

    Thanks for doing that.

    Glad the photos were of interest!
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I would actually say that the lower image has been digitally alterered.
    That's exactly what I said Phil.
    And yes, I'd guess so somebody could insert the stamp to make it look 'official'.

    "The famous Schmitt sextuplets and their varying size step-ladders were a familiar sight during the inspection of Maginot line damage":
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  20. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Hi,
    Wow what a stir my photograph caused!!! Now I`m going to give you a bit of background. The original image was bought in an auction lot in 2001 described as coming from a deceased estate it was bought by a good friend of mine who was under the impression it was from the Dunkirk perimiter(from your descriptions that it is probably not the case),he sadly is no longer with us so I cannot advise him!,he had the original photograph profesionally restored and remounted???. The restored photograph was passed to me in 2002 along with a photograph of the original ,(not the original I have no idea where that is today). I cannot comment on the "photoshopping" element of the photograph until now I never really looked at it, its saved like thousands more to disc.However the image I posted is of the restored item I am posting the photograph of the original image for you to see. When (if) it was altered I fear happened a long time before "Photoshopping?" was ever around for what reasons I do not know.
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    Just wondering ..what is the stamp in the corner..it is`nt a censor stamp is it ??
    Regards
    Verrieres
     

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