Massacres and Atrocities of WW2

Discussion in 'General' started by spidge, Oct 11, 2006.

  1. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Mukden.

    About 350 miles from Pingfan (the Germ Warfare Complex in Manchuria) was the prisoner of war camp at MUKDEN where 1,485 American, British and Australian POWs were sent on November 11, 1942. Every few days they received inoculations and vaccinations. Within three months 230 had died. By November, 1943, a total of 84 British, 16 Australians and 1,174 US servicemen had perished. It is estimated that around 60,000 prisoners, including the Chinese, lost their lives in this inhuman experiment. The terrible experiences suffered by prisoners at Mukden, has been, for over forty years, one of the best kept secrets of World War 11.
    None of the Japanese scientists and doctors at Mukden or Pingfan were ever brought to trial, owing to a deal done with the USA, through General Douglas MacArthur, in which it offered immunity from war crimes in exchange for scientific data acquired at Mukden and Pingfan. After repeated requests by war crime investigators for authority to arrest General Ishii and the Imperial prince, the requests were denied by MacArthur. After the war these men, about thirty five of them, held top positions in Japanese medical and scientific institutions.
     
  2. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Pingfan.

    When Russia invaded Manchuria in 1945, the Japanese Government ordered that Pingfan (the Japanese experimental Biological and Germ Warfare Centre in occupied Manchuria) be destroyed. This complex was established by General Ichii and an Imperial prince and cousin of Emperor Hirohito. The documentation authorising the building of this establishment carried the Imperial Seal of the Emperor. Prisoners in the holding cells were first killed and all Chinese and Manchurian slave labourers who were forced to work in the complex were then machined-gunned to death. About 600 were killed this way, the bodies of the victims cremated in ovens the same way as those used in the Nazi death camps, and their ashes then dumped into the nearby Sungari River. The whole Pingfan complex was then blown up before the Russians arrived. Pingfan had 4,500 flea breeding machines which produced 100 million infected fleas every few days. These fleas, infected with plague, typhoid, cholera and anthrax organisms, were to be dropped on the invasion troops in a last ditch effort to win the war. Emperor Hirohito, realising that the war was over, opposed it after the Hiroshima bomb was dropped.
     
  3. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    The Normandy Massacres:

    A sensation was caused in Allied Headquarters when reports came through that a considerable number of Canadian soldiers were shot after being taken prisoner by the 12th. Panzer Division ‘Hitler Jugend’. On the morning of June 8th. thirty seven Canadians were taken prisoner by the 2nd. Battalion of the 6th. Panzer Grenadier Regiment. The prisoners were marched across country to the H/Q of the 2nd. Battalion. In the village of Le Mesnil-Patty they were then ordered to sit down in a field with their wounded in the center. In a short while a half track arrived with eight or nine SS soldiers brandishing Schmeisser machine pistols. Advancing in line towards the prisoners they opened fire killing thirty five men. Two of the Canadians ran for their lives and escaped the slaughter but were rounded up by a different German unit to spend the rest of the war in a POW camp. First to make contact with the Canadians was a combat group led by Obersturmbannfuhrer Karl-Heinz Milius and supported by the Prinz Battalion. Near the villages of Authie and Buron, a number of Canadians were taken prisoner. Numbering around forty, they were individually killed on the march back to the rear. Eight were ordered to remove their helmets and then shot with automatic rifles. Their bodies were dragged out on to the road and left to be run over by trucks and tanks. French civilians pulled the bodies back on to the pavement but were ordered to stop and to drag the bodies back onto the road again.. On the 7th. and 8th. of June, in the grounds of the Abbaye Ardenne, the headquarters of Kurt Meyer’s 25th. Panzer Grenadiers, twenty of the Canadians were shot. After being taken prisoner they were locked up in a stable, and being called out by name they emerged from the doorway only to be shot in the back of the head During the afternoon of 8th.June, twenty six Canadians were shot at the Chateau d’Audrieu after being taken prisoner by a Reconnaissance Battalion of the SS Hitler Jugend. Other units of the German forces in France called the Hitler Jugend Division the ‘Murder Division’. After the war, investigations established that separate atrocities were committed in 31 different incidents involving 134 Canadians, 3 British and 1 American.
     
  4. von Poop

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  5. Owen

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  6. vailron

    vailron Senior Member

    was#nt that a common practice, giving the german scientists immunity from the war crime prossecutions, if it was'nt for the german rocket scientists america would never have put a man on the moon, and manyu members of the gestapo were spirited away to form the stazi in east germany
     
  7. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Le Paradis

    (Pas-de-Calais. May 26,1940) A company of the Royal Norfolk Regiment, trapped in a cowshed, surrendered to the 2nd Totenkopf Infantry Regiment under the command of 28 year old SS Obersturmfuhrer Fritz Knoechlein. Marched to a group of farm buildings, they were lined up in the meadow along side the barn wall. When the 99 prisoners were in position, two machine guns opened fire killing 97 of them. Two managed to escape, Privates Pooley and O'Callaghan emerged from the slaughter alive. When the SS troops moved on, the two were sheltered by the villagers at Le Paradis. After the war, the massacre was investigated and Knoechlein was traced and arrested. Tried before a War Crimes Court in Hamburg, he was found guilty, and on January 28, 1949, he was hanged.
     
  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    How many of the perpetrators of these mass killings were willing participants?
    I'd imagine quite a few were ordered under pain of death to carry out someone else's murderous intent.
    I know it sounds like the old excuse, "I was acting under orders."
    But how many times were those orders carried out under a death threat?
    I'm sure some murderous types got off on it but I'm sure rather alot carried some pretty heavy emotional baggage around for years to come.
     
  9. vailron

    vailron Senior Member

    my father always maintained that the average german soldier no more wanted to be fighting than the average british soldier did. and to his dying day he said that the yanks were worse than any german that he ever came across
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    How many of the perpetrators of these mass killings were willing participants?
    I'd imagine quite a few were ordered under pain of death to carry out someone else's murderous intent.
    I know it sounds like the old excuse, "I was acting under orders."
    But how many times were those orders carried out under a death threat?
    I'm sure some murderous types got off on it but I'm sure rather alot carried some pretty heavy emotional baggage around for years to come.

    I would have to agree because I do not believe all were animals.
     
  11. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    my father always maintained that the average german soldier no more wanted to be fighting than the average british soldier did. and to his dying day he said that the yanks were worse than any german that he ever came across

    Did he ever give any examples?

    Was this after D-Day in Europe or in North Africa or Italy?
     
  12. 52nd Airborne

    52nd Airborne Green Jacket Brat

    Malmedy Massacre

    The Malmédy Massacre occurred on December 17th 1944. The Malmédy Massacre took place during the Battle of the Bulge and was one of the worst atrocities committed against prisoners of war in the West European sector during World War Two.

    On December 17th, men from Battery B of the 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion were ordered to move from Schevenhutte, near Aachen, to St Vith in the Ardennes. Their route took them near to the town of Malmédy. On their journey, on the N-23 St Vith road that passed to the east of Malmédy, Battery B met up with Lieutenant-Colonel David Pergrin of the 291st Engineer Combat Battalion.

    Pergrin had heard that the Germans were along the route which the men from Battery B were taking. He advised them to take a different route to St Vith. However, the officers in charge of the battery decided that they had their orders and, ignoring Pergrin's advice, continued along their designated route.

    This journey took them to what the locals called the 'Baugnez Crossroads' - two miles south-east of Malmédy. In fact, there were five roads there and to the Americans it was known as 'Five Points'. A military policeman - and previously placed route markers - directed the convoy along its way.

    About half-a-mile from the 'Baugnez Crossroads', the first vehicles in the convoy were fired on by two tanks from the 1st SS Panzer Division led by Joachim Peiper. This unit was one of just two units in the whole Nazi military allowed to use Hitler's name in its title - the 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler. This unit had a fearsome reputation and Peiper was known as a man who would let nothing stand in his way of success - including the taking of prisoners. In the Russian campaign, Peiper's unit was known as the 'Blowtorch Brigade' for its violence towards civilians.

    On this day in particular, it is said that Peiper was in a particularly foul mood as his advance had not been as successful or as swift as he had hoped. Though the 1st SS Division had suffered few casualties in terms of manpower, it had lost tanks and half-tracks in its advance as the US 99th Infantry Division had put up a far stronger resistance than Peiper had bargained for. The two tanks that fired on B Battery were under the command of SS Lieutenant Werner Sternebeck. He had lost five of his seven tanks in the advance. Peiper, it seems, was furious at yet more delays to his advance.

    Clearly outgunned by the Germans, the men from B Battery surrendered after Sternebeck's attack. Peiper himself went to the Baugnez Crossroads and brusquely ordered Sternebeck to move on. The 113 American prisoners-of-war who had survived the attack were assembled in a field near the Café Bodarwé at the crossroads - this figure included eight Americans who had already been captured by Peiper. A young Belgium boy witnessed what happened next.

    At about 14.15, soldiers from the 1st SS Panzer Division opened fire on the 113 men who were in the field. The firing stopped at about 14.30. Soldiers from Peiper's unit went around the field and shot at close range anyone who seemed to be alive - or clubbed them to death as later autopsies showed. Incredibly, some prisoners did get away after feigning death. It was three of these escapees that came across Pergrin.

    Colonel Pergrin had heard the attack by Sternebeck and went to investigate, first in a jeep and then on foot. Near Five Points, three Americans rushed up to Pergrin. It was these men who first alerted the Americans that something had gone on at the crossroads. Pergrin took the wounded men to Malmédy and at 16.40 contacted the First Army's headquarters to inform them that some sort of massacre had taken place at Five Points.

    Because of the nature of the Battle of the Bulge, no one side could claim the land that the dead men lay in. It was only from January 14th, 1945, on that the Americans could lay claim to the area around the crossroads and claim the bodies. 71 snow-covered bodies were recovered. The freezing weather had done a lot to preserve the bodies and that made the autopsies easier, especially as some had been covered in snow.

    On December 17th, 21 survivors of the massacre made statements to the American authorities in Malmédy. Their accounts were remarkably similar despite the fact that they had had little time to discuss their experiences.

    When the massacre took place, Peiper had left the area around Five Points and had moved on. He was not at the scene when the shooting started. However, on December 12th, it is said that Hitler had issued an order which stated that no prisoners were to be taken and that a "wave of terror" was to descend on the Allies who stood in the way of the offensive. However, in the trial at Dachau no written evidence was produced to substantiate this and, as evidence, the court ignored it. Also Peiper's men had taken prisoners in their advance prior to the Malmédy incident. So what happened?

    The sheer number of prisoners almost certainly sealed the fate of the Americans. Over 100 prisoners could not be left where they were - in the field. But there was no spare capacity for the Germans to guard them as Peiper had ordered the SS units under his command to speed up their advance. They could not be sent marching back towards the German lines as Peiper only had control of one main road and his unit was using it. Any men marching in the opposite direction could easily clog up the road. Peiper's other worry was that he might be attacked by American units known to be in the area.

    Two theories have been put forward to explain what happened.

    The men were deliberately murdered in cold blood. Certainly, the 1st SS Panzer Division had been responsible for atrocities in Russia and they had already shot captured Americans in their advance in the Ardennes Offensive - and more were shot after Malmédy. It is possible that Major Werner Poetschke, who commanded the 1st SS Panzer Battalion, gave the order - but no evidence has proved this, just rumour.

    Another theory put forward is that some Americans tried to escape and were fired on by the Germans. Other Germans heard the firing, but were not aware that the targets were three Americans as opposed to all of the group. Either trigger-happy or simply battle-hardened, they opened fire on the group as a whole. In October 1945, an American soldier made a sworn testimony that he had escaped with two other men (who were killed) but he had survived and made it back to US lines. The law as it stood then would have allowed the Germans to shoot at escaping prisoners - but not at the whole group. It is possible that their escape precipitated the shooting of the other men.

    In May 1946, Peiper had 70 of his men were put on trial. The charge stated

    "That they willfully, deliberately and wrongfully permit, encourage, aid, abet and participate in the killing, shooting, ill treatment, abuse and torture of members of the armed forces of the United States of America."

    Forty-three of those accused were sentenced to death and the rest received prison sentences. The death sentences were commuted to prison sentences and all the men were out of prison by the end of 1956.

    Source - historylearningsite.co.uk
     
  13. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    When the trial ended on July 16, 1946, forty three of the defendants were sentenced to death, twenty two to life imprisonment, two to twenty years, one for fifteen years and five to ten years. Peiper and Fleps were among those sentenced to death, but after a series of reviews the sentences were reduced to terms in prison. On December 22, 1956, SS Sturmbannführer Peiper was released. He settled in the small village of Traves in northern France in 1972 and four years later, on the eve of Bastille Day, he was murdered and his house burned down by a French communist group. His charred body was recovered from the ruins and transferred to the family grave in Schondorf, near Landsberg in Bavaria. Most of the remains of the murdered GIs were eventually shipped back to the US for private burial but twenty-one still lie buried in the American Military Cemetery at Henri-Chappelle, about forty kilometers north of Malmédy.
     
  14. vailron

    vailron Senior Member

    altough there were some barbaric events , does'nt this happen in every war, and are'nt these attorcities carrierd out by all sides, look at the russians and how they wiped out their own people in occupied villages, because in their eyes thes villages that had been occupied byu the germans, were colluding with the enemy
     
  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Forty-three of those accused were sentenced to death and the rest received prison sentences. The death sentences were commuted to prison sentences and all the men were out of prison by the end of 1956.
    The commution of the death sentences and relatively short sentences makes this one of the more interesting little corners of the war-crimes trials, if I recall correctly there was much uneasiness amongst both prosecutors and assorted other 'high-ups' as to whether there really was a case to answer, much of the evidence being corrupted by rather 'strong' interrogation. An important aside is that Peiper 'got his' in 1976 in an anonymous fire-bombing, so there were old scores that some felt strongly enough to settle in a rather direct way even 30 years later.
    Cheers,
    Adam

    Edit: - crossed over post with the above 2 , serves me right for having a dodgy memory and typing slow..
     
  16. vailron

    vailron Senior Member

    he spoke of the time the americans came to the pow camp he was in, all the guards were the equivalent of home guard, when the americans marched in, they shot all the germans and never asked any questions.
     
  17. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    How many of the perpetrators of these mass killings were willing participants?
    I'd imagine quite a few were ordered under pain of death to carry out someone else's murderous intent.
    I know it sounds like the old excuse, "I was acting under orders."
    But how many times were those orders carried out under a death threat?
    I'm sure some murderous types got off on it but I'm sure rather alot carried some pretty heavy emotional baggage around for years to come.
    I believe, on the whole, that if a man did not want to participate in cold-blooded events he was rarely punished. If I'm remembering right this was one of the factors at Nuremburg that largely negated the "I was obeying orders" defence. Hot-blooded events seem a different category to me, peer-pressure, indoctrination and training can be exceptionally powerful forces.
     
  18. vailron

    vailron Senior Member

    he also mentioned a time when:
    after being released from the pow camp, the americans saw he was a medic so he was seconded to them, while on the way to the next camp, they passed some germans who had been wounded, one of them asked my father for a drink of water, being a medic, my father went to give the german soldier a drink, next thing he knew an american soldier had shot the german,. and told my father that if it happened again, he too would also be shot
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Just thought I'd enter the oft-forgotten 'Ustashe' Croatian Catholic Nazi's into this thread, though there seems to have been such a constant flow of Atrocity from them that it's very hard to pick out a particular incident. (Hard to find websites relating to them that aren't coloured by more recent events.) and it would seem incomplete not to enter 'Himmlers Muslims', the bosnian Handschar, for their roles in anti-partisan atrocities.
     
  20. 51highland

    51highland Very Senior Member

    Heusden, Holland November 1944. 134 women & Children blown up in the town hall. 10% of the population in one event.
     

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