II. SS-Pz.Korps - help needed!

Discussion in 'Axis Units' started by Heimbrent, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    I am totally confused right now and need help badly.

    What units did the SS-Panzer-Generalkommando (the latter II.Panzerkorps) consisted of?
    It was formed in summer 1942 (re-named in 1943) in Holland - I can't find much information on the internet (only in connection with the II.SS-Pzkorps) and on most sites where there is at least some info, it's stated that the Generalkdo. consisted of the divisions "Reich" and "Hohenstaufen". I find it very hard to believe this since the 9.SS was only formed at the end of 1942 (and wasn't ready until autumn 1943)

    Is it possible that those sites are just letting me down and that it was in fact "DR" and "LSSAH" which formed the SS-Pz.Gen.Kdo??

    I'd greatly appreciate some help on this.
     
  2. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Kate, whereas up to divisional levels unit composition is more or less fixed (exceptions abound though), a above that (Korps, Army, Army Group) composition can vary a lot, Lego bricks can be assigned, de-assigned, re-assigned, etc.

    The Korps and above was defined by a Staff and a number of of administrative, logistical, artillery, construction, communications core (lousy pun!) units, to which were added fighting units and others, according to the mission and perceived needs. These could be easily taken away, Korps composition varying widely along time. Remember for instance that 4th Pz Army at the time of Op. Bagration did not have a single Pz. Div. assigned to it, yet was still organised and designated as a Panzer Army.

    In the case of II ZZ-PzK, the order of battle (partial) at the beginning of Kursk (early Jul'43) - data from "Kursk, the German View", S. Newton, Da Capo Press - was:

    II SS Panzer Corps
    Obergruppenfuehrer Paul Hausser

    Liebstandarte Adolph Hitler SS Panzergrenadier Division
    Brigadefuehrer Theodor WischSS Panzer Regiment l LAH
    SS Panzergrenadier Regiments l LAH, 2 LAH
    SS Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion l LAH
    SS Panzer Artillery Regiment l LAH
    SS Assault Gun Battalion 1 LAH
    SS Flak Battalion l LAH
    SS Mortar Battalion l LAH
    SS Panzerjaeger Battalion l LAH
    SS Engineer Battalion l LAH

    AttachedRegimentsgruppe, 167th Infantry Division
    (Grenadier Regiment 315)
    (II Battalion, Artillery Regiment 238)
    (1st Company, Engineer Battalion 238)

    Das Reich SS Panzergrenadier Division
    Brigadefuehrer Willi BittrichSS Panzer Regiment 2
    SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 3 Deutschland
    SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 4 Der Fuehrer
    SS Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion 2
    SS Panzer Artillery Regiment 2
    SS Flak Battalion 2
    SS Mortar Battalion 2
    SS Panzerjaeger Battalion 2
    SS Engineer Battalion 2

    Totenkopf SS Panzergrenadier Division
    Brigadefuehrer Hermann PreissSS Panzer Regiment 3 Danmark
    SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 5 Thule
    SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 6 Theodor Eicke
    SS Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion 3
    SS Panzer Artillery Regiment 3
    SS Assault Gun Battery 3
    SS Flak Battalion 3
    SS Mortar Battalion 3
    SS Panzerjaeger Battalion 3
    SS Engineer Battalion 3

    Korps troops

    Artillery Commander 122Artillery Battalions 861, HI/818

    Mortar Commander 3Mortar Regiment 55
    Mortar Training Regiment 1

    Engineer Regimental Staff 680 (Special Purpose)Engineer Battalions (Motorized) 627, 666
    Bridge Column Sector Staff (Motorized) 929
    Bridge Columns 2/41,11, 21, 31, 537, 840
    Commander of Construction Troops 8
    Bridge Construction Battalion 26
    Light Bicycle Road Construction Battalion 508
    Construction Battalion 410
    Bridging Supply Unit 812

    Army Troops

    Senior Artillery Commander 312

    Senior Construction Staff 14Commander of Construction Troops 35
    Construction Battalions (POWs) 155, 305
    Bridge Column Sector Staff 922
    Bridge Columns 671, 2/413
    Organization Todt Operational Staff Kretzer
    Organization Todt Units 71, 73

    Panzer Army Signal Regiment 4

    Panzer Propaganda Company 694

    Military Intelligence Troops 323, 206,104

    Military Police Companies 34, 37

    Plus other Army and Korps medical, comms, transport, etc, etc, etc troops.

    At least around 17th July 1st SS-PzgrenDiv was reassigned to Italy, so like I said this was a very flexible arrangement, you have to set specific dates to pin down composition.
     
  3. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    Za, thanks a lot for your detailed response!
    I was aware that the formations of a Korps vary :).
    According to the list above, it was the three "classic" units of the W-SS which formed the core at the beginning (summer 1942), i.e. LSSAH, DR and T - as far as I'm concerned, they had been transferred from the eastern front in winter 1941 to western Europe. And half a year later, they formed the SS-Panzerkorps (stationed in France till beginning of 1943) which was sent to the eastern front in Feb. 1943. Is that correct so far?
    So it was the 1., 2. and 3.SS that made the SS-Pz.Gen.Kdo, no? And Wikipedia et al. wrongly states that it was the 2. and the 9.?

    *note* I'm talking about the Generalkdo. only, so the constituion till it became the II.SS-Pz.Korps.
     

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