Himmler's influence in German pigeon matters

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  1. I posted documents from The National Archives, London which is correspondence among Flight Lieutenant R. M. Walker of the British War Office, Major B. Melland of M.I.14, and J.L. KLeyn, Captain, I.O.
    These cover enemy pigeon organisations and a report on how pigeons were used.
    (c) Crown copyright images reproduced by courtesy of The National Archives, London, UK.

    While I have been reading the Columba files, I have been seeing J.L. Kleyn's name. What does anyone know about him?

    The post is at

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  2. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Seems logical. Himmler was a poultry farmer in the late twenties. Not a very good one, I think.
  3. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    A couple of mentions of him in the London Gazette:


    Pioneer Corps to Intelligence Corps was a path often followed by those who may initially have been classed as "enemy aliens" but who later were accepted into service in British forces. Not saying this is definitely the case here, but it's worth keeping in mind.

    from Ancestry:

    NAME: John Leonard Kleyn
    BIRTH DATE: 24 Jul 1893
    AGE AT DEATH: 77
    VOLUME: 7c
    PAGE: 310

    Name: John Leonard Kleyn
    Birth Date: 1893
    Burial Date: 9 Oct 1970
    Burial Place: Tarrant-Rushton, Tarrant-Rushton, Dorset, England
    Burial Age: 77

    poss marriage 1:
    Name: Johannes L Kleyn
    Spouse Surname: Nora K Briance
    Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1921
    Registration district: Romford
    Inferred County: Essex
    Volume Number: 4a
    Page Number: 937

    Name: Nora K Kleyn
    Birth Date: abt 1898
    Date of Registration: Jun 1923
    Age at Death: 25
    Registration district: Romford
    Inferred County: Essex
    Volume: 4a
    Page: 427

    marriage 2:
    Name: Johanmes L Kleyn
    Spouse Surname: Diana M Harding-Newman
    Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1944
    Registration district: Chelsea
    Inferred County: London
    Volume Number: 1a
    Page Number: 687

  4. Drusus Nero

    Drusus Nero Banned

    Was ther any aspect of German society that Himmler did not poke his beak into?

    He had already regulated the basic notions of how people acted, thought, had sex. what kind of cultural values were acceptable. So I suppose pidgeons were just another aspect.

    Good to be the king, Heinrich.
  5. Over Here

    Over Here Junior Member

    What a pity she didn't live to see Richard III's exhumation.
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  6. Jkleyn

    Jkleyn New Member

    A friend alerted me to the discussion about Johannes Leonardus Kleyn (known as John Kleyn in the UK in Ww2). He was married to my mother Phyllis Margaret Kleyn nee Whicker in 1937. They signed up as British soldiers in 1940 and then were apart during the war for two years. During this time he met Diana, separated from my mother and married her in 1944. My mother did not remarry so I was born as Jane Kleyn and was layer adopted by another family. Phyllis Kleyn was a spy during WW2, and In the latter part of Ww2 John Kleyn became a MI5 agent - after his role as the British army’s pigeon expert.
    I applied for his army record and found some wonderful letters written about his work during WW2. All this is detailed in a book called Secrets, Spies and Spotted Dogs by Jane Eales available through Amazon.
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