1/9th Gurkha Rifles

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  1. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    I'm currently looking into their pretty horrible time on Hangman's Hill at Cassino:

    http://www.milhist.net/mto/19gurkha.html - in short.

    Is anybody aware of either any regimental/battalion publications or veterans' accounts of their activities at and around this time?

    This seems to exist, but the only copy online is astronomically expensive:

    http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/publication/9805

    http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=The+9th+Gurkha+Rifles *shudder*

    If anybody has the March Diary from WO 169/19006 - I'd also be most grateful to see it.
     
  2. idler

    idler GeneralList

    There is also a more recently-published history of 9 GR which is supposed to be an abridged version of the warry bits from the main histories. You'd hope Cassino would qualify for inclusion on that basis...
     
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  3. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Excellent, got a link or a title?

    Edit: This?
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/9th-Gurkha-Rifles-Regimental-1817-1947/dp/1851270027 - that seems even more elusive!
     
  4. idler

    idler GeneralList

    That's the one! I never said it would be easy.
     
  5. Maureene

    Maureene Well-Known Member

    If you have not already read there following, perhaps there may be something relevant in these downloads from the Digital Library of India

    The Gurkhas This is a regimental history.
    The most likely publication appears to be The Gurkhas by Harold James and Denis Sheil-Small published 1965, London.
    http://dli.serc.iisc.ernet.in/handle/2015/126645

    Official History of the Indian Armed Forces In the Second World War General Editor Dr Bisheshwar Prasad
    The Campaign In Italy 1943-45 published 1962
    http://dli.serc.iisc.ernet.in/handle/2015/111423

    I have had a lot of problems with the Digital Library of India recently, but at the time of writing these catalogue links worked.

    Cheers
    Maureen
     
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  6. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    I've seen the second but not the first.
    Thank you.

    Edit: nobody got that war diary lying around then?
     
  7. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    James.

    I will check this evening to see if I have the pages from 1/9 GR's time on Hangman's Hill.

    Regards

    Frank
     
  8. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member Patron

    I have a copy of The Gurkhas by Harold James and Denis Sheil-Small. Only a short chapter on Cassino. Here it is, I hope you gain something from it:

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  9. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Appreciated - that's the same text as one of the e-books linked above but easier on the eye.

    Frank: I'd be most grateful (again) if you manage to turn up those diaries - thank you.
     
  10. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    James.

    Apologies. I have Regt History info on 1/2 GR and 2/7 GR but not 1/9 GR.

    Regards

    Frank
     
  11. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    No problem, Frank - cheers for looking.

    I have an earlier batch of 1/4th Essex diaries in the pipeline now, but think I'm going to request the 1944 diaries for 1/9th GR & 4/6th Raj Riffs for my next batch of files from the National Archives. When I finally get round to it, I'll pass copies to you.
     
  12. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Cor, yes please.

    Frank
     
  13. S Miller

    S Miller Member

    Hi My father Capt. Robert C Miller was second in Command of Company D at Hangmans Hill, Italy. I have the two official books on the history of the 9 GR. This year I was a guest at the 200th Anniversary of 1/9 GR in India.
     
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  14. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Welcome aboard, S Miller. I'm glad to see you post here.

    Did your father speak or write much about his time at Cassino?

    Sadly, the 1/9 GR War Diary Pages for the battalion's time on Hangman's Hill are missing from the filed copy at the National Archives and I have completely failed to locate any others--do you have any contact with the battalion in India? I am still keen to ask them whether they retain a full copy.

    Failing that, anything you could post concerning Cassino from the official books you mention would be of great interest to me and others. My grandfather was with 1/4th Essex at Cassino--and as you know elements of his battalion were left occupying 1/9 GR when the rest of the show was called off.
     
  15. S Miller

    S Miller Member

    Hi

    Have you been in touch with the Gurkha Rifles Museum at Winchester they might have a copy of the missing file. If you find a copy of the file I'd be interested in a copy. I'll have a look at the official history to see how many pages cover Hangmans Hill. I met some of the men from the Essex Regiment at the 50th Anniversary at M Cassino. Sheila
     
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  16. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Sheila,

    The Gurkha Rifles Museum: I've been in touch with them, they acknowledged my enquiry last year and promised to get back to me about it, but three subsequent emails to the same address have gone unanswered.

    Regards
    Charlie
     
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  17. S Miller

    S Miller Member

    You are correct, as I know the author or should I say joint author. Had a quick look at the book whilst in India.
     
  18. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Sheila.

    Funnily enough I was on Point 236 this morning looking down the Castle and explaining the 1/9 GR infiltration on to a Hangman's Hill and their subsequent extraction when it was realised that any further attempt to capture the monastery was utterly futile.

    If you ever want to get your head around what your father did, do get in touch and you can join one of my groups on the ground. The Castle was open this morning so, standing at its base, everyone got a superb appreciation of the difficulty of the task.

    I suspect that during the 50th Anniversary event you had little chance to have a good look at this fascinating part of the Third Battle.

    Regards

    Frank
     
  19. S Miller

    S Miller Member

    Hi Frank

    I've been to the area three times, first time during the early 1980's but I'll keep your offer in mind. Just to clarify has the 9th Gurkha plaque been returned to Hangman's Hill?

    Regards

    Sheila
     
  20. Maureene

    Maureene Well-Known Member

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