Your thoughts on this???

Discussion in 'War Grave Photographs' started by Drew5233, Aug 27, 2008.

  1. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Whilst doing the rounds at Dunkirk I visited the Military Cemetery at Esquelbecq where the soldiers from the Wormholt massacre are buried.

    Whilst there in the corner I found four or five grave stones of German soldiers from the First World War. Nothing unusual there but next to them I found this which I thought rather strange.
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    Looking at the date of his death I would have thought the area would have been well clear of any German troops by then.

    Any thoughts on this?

    The second point I thought unusual was next to this stone was a British soldier. (I am kicking myself for not taking a picture because I've forgotten the details) It was the only British one which is wny it struck me as strange to be buried next to 6 or 7 Germans in the corner out of the way.

    Any thoughts on this too ?
     
  2. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    That's about right, Dunkirk was initially bypassed by the Allies until the Canadians besieged the town in September 1944 and later by the Czechs. However, the Germans held out until the final surrender in May 1945.
     
  3. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Cheers for that.....any thoughts on the lone British grave next to the German ones?

    I was thinking maybe a deserter or traitor and was shot ???
     
  4. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Drew,
    What's strange is that I can't find an entry on the German war grave site for this man ...

    d
     
  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Ooooo the plot thickens. Does this help Diane? Its the name etc of the Cemetery where he is buried.
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  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hi Drew,
    The search fields are name, DOB and date of death/reported missing, place of birth ... as far as I can see search not possible by cemetery, already had a quick look. Nothing which comes up for the name, matches the details on the headstone.

    Perhaps Croonaert or someone else knows better...
    Diane

    edit: Got any other names?
     
  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Not of Germans.

    I took some of Austrailians for Spidge from Aussie RAF and some Aussie Army plus one for me of a Sgt in Signals killed at Dunkirk. My old Regt laid a wreath on his grave a few years ago.

    Oh I did take a picture of this too incase anyone is interested ?
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  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    The second point I thought unusual was next to this stone was a British soldier. (I am kicking myself for not taking a pi
    cture because I've forgotten the details) It was the only British one which is wny it struck me as strange to be buried next to 6 or 7 Germans in the corner out of the way.



    Here's a plan of the cemetery.
    http://www.cwgc.org/plans/10-14/esq.GIF

    Click on it to make it bigger.


    Is he the Indian next to the Germans?
    If it seems they wanted a plot just for Indians, away from the British.


    <TABLE class=datatable id=dgCemeteries style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 rules=all border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>BEJ NATH </TD><TD>Driver </TD><TD>PB/18142</TD><TD>Indian Royal Artillery</TD><TD>05/05/1918</TD><TD>Unknown </TD><TD>Indian Plot. A1.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
     
  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Cheers Owen yeah thats the grave I thought it was the 14-18 war but seem to remember the name etc. being British.

    If he is a Indian Soldier as it seems he is, that's a bit crap putting him in the corner like that.
     
  10. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

    Could someone fill me in on the Wormholt massacre? I am unfamiliar with that event.

    tom
     
  11. handtohand22

    handtohand22 Senior Member

  12. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Is he the Indian next to the Germans?
    If it seems they wanted a plot just for Indians, away from the British.


    <TABLE class=datatable id=dgCemeteries style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 rules=all border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>BEJ NATH </TD><TD>Driver </TD><TD>PB/18142</TD><TD>Indian Royal Artillery</TD><TD>05/05/1918</TD><TD>Unknown </TD><TD>Indian Plot. A1.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


    ...Just happened to be passing the other day too!...

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    Dave
     
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  13. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Drew,
    What's strange is that I can't find an entry on the German war grave site for this man ...

    d

    It's because his grave is in the care of the CWGC, not the VDK. Though some are listed on the VdK site (and they are adding more continuously), this isn't their priority. The CWGC will have him in their lists (but not online).

    Dave
     
  14. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

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    I won't bore you all with snaps of further massacre graves to be found in Wormhoudt itself (plus the nice couple of aristo's!):p

    Dave
     
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  15. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    One thing that I found a little touching was the fact that the memorial trees near the actual site of the massacre bear the names in the same order as the headstones (see above) - or was it just a co-incidence for these two???


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  16. Owen

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    ...Just happened to be passing the other day too!...

    I wondered where you where!
    That's one helluva conincidence you got Bej Nath!
     
  17. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    When was you there Dave ?
     
  18. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    When was you there Dave ?

    The evening of the 24th (4 days! - God, it seems a lifetime ago already!!!)

    Dave
     
  19. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    That's one helluva conincidence you got Bej Nath!


    Not really. I have a habit of taking photos of all the slightly out of the ordinary headstones that I come across no matter what my original intention of visiting (this one struck me simply because it was unbadged and the unit was mentioned simply as "Royal Artillery" (which struck me as odd for a 1918 grave).

    (Keep it to yourself, but I've also got a very schoolboyish habit of photographing those whose names appeal to me as mildly amusing or interesting (see below for some very juvenile examples!) - still wanting to get pics of the 4 Hitlers in VdK care!)

    Dave.
     

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  20. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I know what you mean Dave, that's why I posted Adolf Panzer in my holiday thread on same grave as a Schumacher.
    What do you think of this Austrian number plate I took the other week?
     

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