War Graves in Poland

Discussion in 'War Grave Photographs' started by dbf, Jun 30, 2008.

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  1. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hi,
    I am hoping that someone who is going or has gone here, can provide me with photos either of this man's headstone or of general views of this cemetery.

    Thanks,
    Diane


    Cemetery: MALBORK COMMONWEALTH WAR CEMETERY
    http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2016901&mode=1
    Country: Poland
    Location Information: Malbork (formerly Marienburg) is a town on the River Nogat located in the north of Poland to the south-east of the city of Gdansk (Danzig), on the main road 50, and the cemetery is located to the west of the town. Follow the main road 50 through the town to the junction with the 514 to Gradziadz. Turn left here into Plac Slowianski. The cemetery is along here on the left, on the outskirts of the town.
    Historical Information: The Second World War burials at Malbork are mostly of men who died while prisoners of war in the nearby camps. Stalag XXB was a camp of some size at Malbork itself, Stalag lA was situated at Stablack, between Malbork and Gdansk, Stalag 2A at Starogard, a few kilometres south of Stablack, and Stalag XXA, at Torun (Thorn), about 120 kilometres south of Malbork. When hostilities had ceased, the graves service of the British Army of the Rhine moved the graves from the local burial grounds to this war cemetery, together with other Commonwealth graves in outlying places in the area where their permanent maintenance could not be assured. The largest number came from Torun, and the next largest from burial grounds in Malbork itself and Gdansk. MALBORK COMMONWEALTH WAR CEMETERY contains 232 Second World War burials. There are also 13 First World War burials which were moved from Gdansk (Danzig) Garrison Cemetery in 1960. The cemetery also contains the MALBORK MEMORIAL, commemorating 39 First World War casualties buried in Heilsberg Prisoners of War Cemetery (changed in 1953 to Lidsbark War Cemetery) where their graves could no longer be maintained.
    No. of Identified Casualties: 240

    BUTLER, ALBERT STANLEY Guardsman 2719731, 2nd Bn., Irish Guards died age 24 on 10 May 1942
    Son of Harry and Mabel Butler, of Walton-on-the-Hill, Tadworth, Surrey.
    Remembered with honour MALBORK COMMONWEALTH WAR CEMETERY
    Grave/Memorial Reference: 7. B. 11.
     
  2. Capt.Sensible

    Capt.Sensible Well-Known Member

    Hello Diane,

    I have no plans to visit Poland in the near future (although, historically, Poland is a part of Oxfordshire...) but I did wonder how Guardsman Butler ended up being buried in Poland in 1942. Do you know?

    H
     
  3. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hello Diane,

    I have no plans to visit Poland in the near future (although, historically, Poland is a part of Oxfordshire...) but I did wonder how Guardsman Butler ended up being buried in Poland in 1942. Do you know?

    H

    Hi H

    I have no specific information, but going by the historical info for the cemetery, I would make an [un]educated guess that he may have been a POW. It certainly seems likely.:unsure:

    A small hope remains that I might be able to remedy this matter. I have different lists and am trying to cross ref all information with that of the Official history, of which the index is next to useless. Doubtless there will be nothing found...

    He is the only one from 2 or 3bns to be buried in Poland. I am still hopeful that someone may be able to get a photo for me.

    If not, I shall start canvassing my locals to see if any of them come from near there ;)

    D
     
  4. Capt.Sensible

    Capt.Sensible Well-Known Member

    Thanks, D, and best of luck.

    H
     
  5. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Thanks, D, and best of luck.

    H
    Thanks H, think I'll need it.:)

    D
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Donnie managed to get a photo from Tunisia so how about joining this forum and see if you have a repeat result?

    Poland and Polish News at PolishForums.com

    As he a 2nd Bn man I'd say he was captured at Boulogne, 1940.
     
  7. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Donnie managed to get a photo from Tunisia so how about joining this forum and see if you have a repeat result?

    Poland and Polish News at PolishForums.com

    As he a 2nd Bn man I'd say he was captured at Boulogne, 1940.

    Owen,
    Thanks for that link.

    Would have thought so too.
    Diane
     
  8. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hi everyone,

    Just thought I'd share. After a few attempts at finding help, I was recommended this address. Just can't get any better than this really. So, anyone else who has interest in Malbork just look here. A virtual cemetery. I have emailed the owners to ask permission to copy by the way, only fair.


    Here's the cwgc cemetery report to check for names/Regts
    CWGC :: Cemetery Reports

    And just in case anyone like me, has an interest in Pomeranian genealogy, the full list of cemeteries available here
    PTG Pomorskie Towarzystwo Genealogiczne :: Indeks Cmentarzy

    dbf

    The direct link I had doesn't seem to work so use above and scroll down and click on Malbork
     
  9. AndyBaldEagle

    AndyBaldEagle Very Senior Member

    Diane
    Looks absolutely great site, now I have a chap at Poznan (which I dont think is Pomerania) but I cannot see why! More investigation needed!

    Regards to all

    Andy
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Thanks for the lead Diane!

    I only have one Casualty at Malbork, Sergeant Norman Lindsay Smith who died in this crash. The collective headstones are on the website and I have also asked for permission.

    I have 4 at Krakow (Rakowicki) Cemetery and 19 at Poznan Old Garrison Cemetery.

    Details of this crash courtesy of Lost Bombers:

    Lancaster R5696 Information

    Type Lancaster Serial Number R5696
    Squadron 97
    X1D OF-H
    Operation Danzig
    Date 1: 11th July 1942
    Date 2: 11th July 1942

    Further Information

    "Serial range R5482 - R5763 This aircraft was one of 200 Manchesters ordered from A.V.Roe (Manchester) Sep39 and built as Lancaster Mk.1s delivered from Feb42 to Jul42 with Merlin 20 engines. those remaining operational in early 1943 had Merlin 22s substituted. R5696 was delivered to 97 Sqdn 29Jun42. This aircraft was lost on its first operation with a total of 11 hours. Airborne 1642 11Jul42 from Woodhall Spa. All are buried in the Commonwealth War Cemetery at Malbork, Poland, formerly known as Marienburg on the River Nogat SE of Danzig. F/L Miller was a New Zealander serving in the RAF. F/L C.w.Miller DFC KIA Sgt J.Forsyth KIA Sgt A.T.Grossmith KIA P/O J.N.Eslick KIA P/O R.J.Westgate RCAF KIA Sgt N.L.Smith RAAF KIA F/S A.E.Nickerson RCAF KIA "
     

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