Thick as pig do-do

Discussion in 'General' started by m kenny, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    There is a quote in here ;-) around the 2 min mark - about how we can always get seduced by "those German vehicles"



    You can see quite a lot about the German Panzers etc. at the Tank Museum and on their website, but not to the exclusion of all else etc. and in context, often highlighting too their numerous flaws etc. and vulnerabilities.

    Going back to the first post and the quotes like "Poor leadership and an aversion to taking casualties seem to be the root causes" & "The aversion to taking casualties stemmed from senior British commanders experiences in World War I where most of them served on the front lines and experienced the horrific casualties of that war. They were also acutely aware that such losses again would be unacceptable to a war-weary British population."

    I wonder why the assertion is that this is only something that affected the British. Or why Germany should have been willing to buck this, given their own experiences of multiple defeats and heavy losses during the first world war.

    Arguing uniquely leadership for elements like the SS too seems peculiarly weak. The Nazi's very often had very poor leadership. It's not as if invading Russia without adequately preparing for the winter was genius. Or declaring war on the USA was a war winning move.

    Though Hitler was not averse to telling his troops not to retreat but to die fighting where they were, it's not as if there are not examples of cases where heavy German casualties caused a tactical rethink.

    28th May 1941: The Germans count the cost of Crete

    "The Germans ultimately prevailed on Crete but at great cost. Estimates of the exact losses vary greatly – there were around 4,000 German graves on Crete. But British naval commanders believed they had accounted for thousands more when they sunk troop transports bringing men across by sea at the height of the battle. Only a few hundred bodies were washed up. Churchill estimated total losses at around 15,000, some put it even higher.

    Hitler lost all enthusiasm for large scale parachute operations after the battle, in the future parachute troops would be used as elite infantry. Possible future operations against Malta and Cyprus were discarded.

    Baron von der Heydte considered it a pyrrhic victory.
    "

    Dressing up in an SS uniform and championing them as good soldiers on facebook: Facebook - Wikipedia

    Maybe sits under "fringe discourse" : Facebook - Wikipedia

    It maybe gives a bit of a false impression though how well "liked" is such stuff on there.
     
  2. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    A diversion.....I wonder if the George Millar quoted by Ramilles in Post #13 is the same George Millar as this.His early career was that of a journalist.

    George Millar

    George Millar could tell a good tale of being captured in North Africa,failed escape attempts from the Italians in Italy,then a successful escape and evasion from a Bavarian POW camp.Finally a very good account of clandestine service with the Maquis.
     
  3. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    A diversion.....I wonder if the George Millar quoted by Ramiles in Post #13 is the same George Millar as this.His early career was that of a journalist.

    George Millar

    George Millar could tell a good tale of being captured in North Africa,failed escape attempts from the Italians in Italy,then a successful escape and evasion from a Bavarian POW camp.Finally a very good account of clandestine service with the Maquis.

    First post attempt seemed to fail....it's a 2 for 1 job.
     

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