Hello everyone.... Can anyone suggest where I might find the statics of German, Italian, British and Allied Forces for MIA, WIA, KIA and POWs for the duration of the Italian Campaign? I have tried various sites but nothing concrete has come back. Sandra
John Ellis's The World War II Databook offers this, though it's not entirely helpful for British forces... The columns are Killed/Missing - Wounded - PoW:
Hi Sandra, here below is page 452: From Salerno to the Alps 1943-1945. A History of the Fifth Army by Lt. Col. Chester G. Starr. Infantry Journal Press. Thanks for starting this thread. I've got a funny feeling that it will carry on for a while. Stu.
Have you checked the Commonwealth War Graves Commission for British and Commonwealth? cwgc.org Vitellino
Tell me more about the lost Italian data please. Vitelliino Edited - just found this: Source: Army data (Ufficio Storico dello Stato Maggiore dell'Esercito. Commissariato generale C.G.V. . Ministero della Difesa - Edizioni 1986) Casualties Italian units fighting alongside the Allies (armistice onwards) 5,927 I have also found a figure for Sicily but don't think the source is reliable so won't quote it.
From CWGC Burials /remembrance in Italy: Results These servicemen served with the following forces and are buried or remembered on memorials on Italian soil. The cemeteries and memorials are given on the CWGC website. There are some women among them - nurses etc. United Kingdom (29915) Canadian (5916) Indian (5506) New Zealand (2157) South African (1809) Australian (215) Norwegian (12) Italian (6) Polish (6) Russian (5) It should however be remembered that over 1000 of these deaths were prisoners of war, many taken in North Africa- my research. It should also be remembered that other POWs who died in Italy are remembered on the Alamein Memorial and other memorials in North Africa. - I have no figures for these to date. Lastly, I am curious, Sandra, as to why you are looking for these figures, Vitellino
Sandra, From the NZ Official History at: Appendix I — CASUALTIES IN 2 NEW ZEALAND DIVISION IN ITALY | NZETC (sorry formatting lost but it gives you an idea of the data.) Most of the volumes have casualty stats at the end or in the appendix Cheers Geoff ITALY VOLUME II : FROM CASSINO TO TRIESTE APPENDIX I — CASUALTIES IN 2 NEW ZEALAND DIVISION IN ITALY Previous Section | Table of Contents | Up | Next Section PAGE 587 Appendix I CASUALTIES IN 2 NEW ZEALAND DIVISION IN ITALY The following table of casualties in 2 New Zealand Division has been compiled from 2 NZEF casualty lists, which are divided into seven parts: Italy I, 12 November 1943 – 31 January 1944 (the Sangro River and Orsogna). Italy II, 1 February – 10 April 1944 (Cassino). Italy III, 11 April – 16 June 1944 (occupation of the Apennine position near Cassino and advance to Sora and Avezzano). Italy IV, 17 June – 24 August 1944 (Monte Lignano, advance toFlorence, and the south bank of the River Arno). Italy V, 25 August – 26 October 1944 (return to the Adriatic coast near Rimini and advance to the Savio River). Italy VI, 27 October 1944 – 31 March 1945 (Faenza area and the Senio River). Italy VII, 1 April–2 May 1945 (advance from the Senio River to Trieste). Killed and Died of Wounds Wounded Prisoners of War Total TOTALS Offrs ORs Offrs ORs Offrs ORs Offrs ORs Italy I 38 375 87 1,045 2 87 (a) 127 1,507 1634 Italy II 25 318 87 1,117 3 46 (b) 115 1,481 1596 Italy III 16 105 45 555 2 61 662 723 Italy IV 26 259 71 824 1 29 (c) 98 1,112 1210 Italy V 17 211 53 804 23 (d) 70 1,038 1108 Italy VI 12 182 46 758 1 17 59 957 1016 Italy VII 17 224 73 1,067 90 1,291 1381 —— —— —— —— — —— —— —— Totals 151 1,674 462 6,170 7 204 620 8,048 8668 (a)Includes 18 wounded. (b) Includes 7 wounded. (c) Includes 4 wounded. (d) Includes 6 wounded.
Good morning Geoff, Thank you so much for the info, helps a lot. Don't suppose you would know how to contact any surviving veterans from the campaign? All my leads are not coming to much. Sandra
Sandra, Sadly no, I do not. Any that are still alive would be in their mid 90's at the least. It is estimated there were about 1100 surviving in NZ in April this year. My fathers 24 Battalion Association wound itself up in 2012 as their numbers had reduced to a point to make it no longer viable. I will make some inquires. Regards Geoff
Sandra I assume you have contacted Assoc's such as Italy Star Association 1943-1945 – Official website of the Italy Star Association 1943-1945 Monte Cassino 75 - other battles or theatres should be available TD