Operarion Downfall

Discussion in 'General' started by Paratrooper, Jul 20, 2004.

  1. Paratrooper

    Paratrooper Junior Member

    What if Operation Downfall,The full scale invasion of Japan,went into action?Where do u think the allies would have landed?How long do you think it would have tooken?
     
  2. angie999

    angie999 Very Senior Member

    This is a link to a detailed article on OLYMPIC, the plan for the first phase of DOWNFALL, and the Japanese plan to resist invation:

    http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/war.term/olympic.html

    D-day had been provisionally fixed for 1 November 1945.
     

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  3. Paratrooper

    Paratrooper Junior Member

  4. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    There's a good novel, called "Lighter Than A Feather," also called "Downfall," that tells the invasion of Kyushu. It's not a bad little war story.
     
  5. Rebel

    Rebel Junior Member

    Well, Okinawa would be used as the base of operations, and the war would have lasted a good 5 years longer...
     
  6. Dpalme01

    Dpalme01 Member

    Well, Okinawa would be used as the base of operations, and the war would have lasted a good 5 years longer...


    I don't know if it would have taken that long.
    maybe 9 months.
    The Americans would have had all there forces from Europe.
    The British probably would have helped as well
    The Russians had also just declared war on Japan.
    It would have been bloody though, especially with the Japanese attitude of surrender.
    Your point is well taken though.
    Dpalme01
     

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  7. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by Dpalme01@Aug 30 2004, 10:53 AM
    Well, Okinawa would be used as the base of operations, and the war would have lasted a good 5 years longer...


    I don't know if it would have taken that long.
    maybe 9 months.
    The Americans would have had all there forces from Europe.
    The British probably would have helped as well
    The Russians had also just declared war on Japan.
    It would have been bloody though, especially with the Japanese attitude of surrender.
    Your point is well taken though.
    Dpalme01
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    It would have taken a lot longer than nine months. The Americans were shipping in forces from Europe, but they would not arrive until 1946. The British, Canadians, and Australians were each to contribute a division, in the later stages of Coronet, the invasion of Honshu. Those divisions were being re-trained and re-equipped to American equipment and tables of organization. There is good detail on the Canadian conversion of 6th Infantry Division in "Six Years of War." The Soviets did not have much of an amphibious capacity and it's questionable that MacArthur would allow his ships to ferry Soviet troops from Korea.

    One thing is likely: the Japanese would have fought with every person they had, down to small children, who were being trained on bamboo spears and ceramic hand grenades to shed their lives to kill at least one American soldier.

    Another factor is that the Americans were becoming war-weary, and pressure was on the leadership to crush Japan definitively, after five years of war across the world. A gruesome campaign in Kyushu and Honshu would likely have seen the introduction of poison gas on either side, and vast numbers of civilian deaths.
     
  8. angie999

    angie999 Very Senior Member

    The bulk of available British land forces would have been occupied with clearing out Malaya and South East Asia. Olympic was a US operation as far as land forces were concerned, but the British fleet would have been involved on a large scale.
     
  9. JoeRoman

    JoeRoman Junior Member

    Gentlemen:

    Five year war against an island with no outside support, not likely. No supplies, little food, alot of people with no weapons. Huge American air armadas hitting anything that moved. A year at the outset, that's only because we would have had number of islands to invade and not just one huge campaign. Japan was dead at the end. Americans tired of war at that time? Remember, the Japs attacked us, we didn't forget. We would have made Japan into a waste land and then paid to rebuild it again, just like we did.

    Joe
     

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