Nuremberg Trials

Discussion in 'General' started by Drew5233, Nov 20, 2008.

  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  2. MeaganK777

    MeaganK777 Junior Member

    Oh whoops, I'm sorry! Didn't realize there was already a topic like this.
     
  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Funny, watched a little documentary on Speer's Trial today - made me look at the sentences for the first time in years.

    Airey Neave's Nuremberg book is a damned fine account. Well, it left a real impression on me:
    Nuremberg: Amazon.co.uk: Airey Neave: Books

    I assume you've been to these, Meagan. but I may as well chuck 'em in from a 30 second Google as they're full of detail:
    Nuremberg Trial
    Nuremberg Trials Project -- Introduction
    Avalon Project - The International Military Tribunal for Germany
    Trials of German Major War Criminals

    Plant Pilot summed it up regards fairness for me in that other thread with:
    They got a chance of a day in court, which is more than most of their victims had, with plenty of witnesses to see that a legal process was followed. Were the sentences the right ones in every case? I doubt it, but the same could be said for court cases before that and since.

    (Merge threads, and Give it the plain 'Nuremberg Trials' title maybe? Not a subject we've touched on for a while. EDIT: Job done.)
     
  4. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    The question was put to us as students, in a 'world affairs' lecture. The question asked, was it right to prosecute professional soldiers like Guderian. A long and at times heated 'discussion' ensued. The agins, suggested that as a professional army officer of the old Prussian school it would have been against every fibre in his body to disobey orders from the government that had been elected. Guderian, Rommel and many others of the General Staff grew up in a militaristic society starting out as cadets in military schools. learning not just the art of war but unlike our own people the science of war, the point I make is that it was ingrained in their very being. The code of discipline and conduct was strict and orders were to be carried out without question. My own view is with the teaching of British army officers and soldiers, that 'a defence of 'I was obeying orders' will not be accepted as a defence in the courts, if that order was known, or it might be reasonable to expect you to have known that the order was an illegal order. The fight against evil was costly in lives, however, the 'real politik' of the day the fear of Russia led to actions that appear now to be plain wrong. As Ron points out, we can only look at it from afar, without the pain and suffering that was still raw. The allies were not shy when it came to pardoning scientists and engineers, some of whom were many leagues above the likes of Guderian.
     
  5. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    ... The allies were not shy when it came to pardoning scientists and engineers, some of whom were many leagues above the likes of Guderian.

    And on that point: BBC News - Wanted Nazi Walther Rauff 'was West German spy'

    Certainly the Nuremburg Trials were the right and proper thing to do.

    But as for the use of other undesirables in the intelligence, scientific and engineering spheres by Britain, the US, Soviet Union and West Germany that is far more debatable about. Something I'm personally undecided upon.
     
  6. Gibbo

    Gibbo Senior Member

    Why did the Western Allies want to recruit Nazis for intelligence work? The Western Allies were far better than the Germans at intelligence during the war.

    It could be argued that the rocket scientists possessed skills that we needed so moral arguments had to be set aside. In the case of intelligence, there wasn't even a practical argument to counter the moral one. Nazi war criminals showed no signs of possessing skills lacked by Allied intelligence agents.
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Could be argued that Intelligence work is as much about connections as skill though.
    If a German has the right contacts, and opens doors in areas of interest, then 'fieldcraft' can maybe always be taught?

    Frustrating thing about intelligence-related stories though I suppose; we'll likely never know the real nuances and back-story that lead to such curiosities as Rauff.
     
  8. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Not so much a matter of skills, it was what they knew. There are many post war US/UK documents written with the input of German commanders eg; 21st Panzer division. The information was post battle. Input confirms your ability to garner intelligence. Questions need answering, why did this commander adopt these tactics? Much of this information is still used in teaching commanders today . The principals of warfare never change, tactics may be adapted, but the principals do not. Give a group of students today a battle from 1944 and dissect it - what led the commander to do this or that. Why did he win or lose? There was also the anti Russian sentiment that was a valuable asset to be tapped, manipulated and used.
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  10. Serbian

    Serbian Junior Member

    This trial was very important. And still is. Great book on the trial "Nuremberg" by Airey Neave...he was honored with the role of reading the indictments to the Nazi leaders on trial.
     
  11. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

  12. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    From Illustrated London News 25 May 1946

    Illustrated London News 25 May 1946.png
     
  13. A short history of Nazi war crimes that these so called 'men' were being tried for is a book by Lord Russell of Liverpool called THE SCOURGE OF THE SWASTIKA first published
    1954
     
  14. jimbop

    jimbop Banned

    streicher should have never shared the stage with the other nazi hierarchy. did not deserve death penalty just because he was a vile rabid anti-semite.
    especially as the 'good nazi' speer only got 20 years.
     
  15. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

  16. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    BBC World Service - The Nuremberg Trials

    "Re-enactments from the transcripts of what Norman Birkett, one of the presiding judges called "the greatest trial in history."

    Written and presented by Richard Norton-Taylor
    "

    1 hour, 28 minutes BBC audio - from 13 September 1996
     
  17. canuck

    canuck Closed Account

    “The Nuremberg Trials have to be regarded as one of the special achievements of the twentieth century: they killed the very idea of evil, though they killed very few of the people who had been infected with it… And if by the twenty-first century humanity has not yet blown itself up and has not suffocated itself—perhaps it is this direction that will triumph? Yes, and if it does not triumph—then all humanity’s history will have turned out to be an empty exercise in marking time, without the tiniest mite of meaning! Whither and to what end will we otherwise be moving? To beat the enemy over the head with a club—even cavemen knew that.”

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
     
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