Mess Silver

Discussion in 'General' started by von Poop, Apr 11, 2019.

  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Was chatting with the other half about Mess Silver centerpieces a few weeks ago, then coincidentally saw this in a copy of the Royal Anglian Regiment's journal from 1976.

    Garrard M110.

    Must have been some fascinating commissions over the years.
    Thought it might be nice to have a place to share stuff we might bump into regarding these often unusual treasures.

    Any period, though obviously WW2 stuff has its own interest.
    Just reading how the Royal Irish Fusiliers' plate was briefly under German occupation in Guernsey.
    Liberating the Mess Silver | Royal Irish - Virtual Military Gallery
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    1959 Garrard Sexton:
    Garrard SP.JPG
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  4. Trux

    Trux 21 AG Patron

    Difficult to clean.

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  5. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    I remember this 9th Lancer example came up for auction towards the end of last year (2018), it was "sold to a retired officer of the regiment" - so it maybe a private purchase or maybe destined to return to them, not sure.

    Lancers’ silver standard sells at Lawrences | Antiques Trade Gazette

    "Standing 21in (53cm) tall on its plinth, and hallmarked for Stephen Smith (London 1872), it depicts a Lancer officer kitted out for patrol with his mount and is engraved A 9th Lancer Indian Mutiny 1857-58.

    A plaque records the name and service details of Surgeon Major John Clifford of the 9th Dragoons, who was attached to the 9th Lancers throughout the Mutiny (more properly now called the First War of India’s Independence). His Mutiny Medal included three bars for Lucknow, Relief of Lucknow and Delhi.

    After a series of Army amalgamations, the 9th Lancers, described in their day as ‘the beau ideal of what a British Cavalry Regiment ought to be in oriental countries’, is today part of the armoured cavalry regiment, The Royal Lancers (Queen Elizabeth’s Own). Attachment to the history of the regiment, founded in 1715 as Owen Wynne’s Regiment of Dragoons in response to the Jacobite uprising, remains strong.

    Pitched at £8000-10,000, the centrepiece sold to a retired officer of the regiment at £12,300.


    Also Twitter has a fair few examples, of regimental silver pieces and collections posted, including a company that values a regiment's silver and apparently produces catalogs.

    Silverlady (@silverladyltd) | Twitter


    "Does your Regt require an updated silver valuation? We provide a full comprehensive database of all your silver pieces, professionally bound & presented in an embossed hardbacked folder along with an electronic copy @AGCSgtMaj @AGCReserve@BritishArmy"



    I think (from the website's cached pages) that they have a website with examples - of their work - but the website may be down for maintenance at the mo.
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  6. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Many regiments have (fairly) recently been amalgamated so many times that they simply have more Mess Silver than they can manage or maintain. In such cases, items deemed to be surplus to requirements are generally offerd to the descendants of the original donor if identifiable. If not, they are offered for sale (often by a form of auction) to officers, serving or retired, of the regiment. Any items still left could well be disposed of by means of public auction. Some items might also be donated to Regimental Museums.

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