Looking for Loss Details and Personal Details on this Australian in the RAF

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  1. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER Patron

    Any assistance would be most appreciated.
    :poppy:

    RAISES, BRIAN (BRAHAM)
    Pilot Officer
    136319
    601sq
    10/12/1942
    21
    RAFVR
    UK
    Column 249.
    ALAMEIN MEMORIAL
    Egypt Alamein
     
  2. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

  3. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER Patron

    From other information on RAFCommands it seems his first name was actually BRAHAM which should allow an easier google search as looking for "BrianRaises" provides a huge amount of hits of which most are to do with Alcohol.

    Brian Raises
    Remembered with Honour
    Alamein Memorial
    In Memory of
    Pilot Officer
    136319, 601 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    who died on 10 December 1942 Age 21
    Son of Nahum and May Raises, of Tel Aviv, Israel.

    He is also on the Commemorative Roll which I missed as they have him as Braham whilst the CWGC above have him as Brian.

    Commemorative Roll - Braham Raises

    Also known as:

    • Brian Raises
    Service number: 136319
    Rank: Pilot Officer
    Unit: No 601 Squadron
    Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Conflict: 1939-1945
    Date of death: 10 December 1942
    Cemetery or memorial details: Alamein Memorial, Egypt




    The London Gazette of 8th August 1939 has his name as Braham RAISES.
    Air Ministry,
    Sth August, 1939.
    ROYAL AIR FORCE.
    GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH.
    The undermentioned are granted short
    service commissions as Acting Pilot Officers
    on probation for six years on the active list
    on the dates stated:—
    22nd July 1939.
     
  4. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER Patron

    Still looking for details on his actual loss however this iformation is interesting.

    From:
    March 1940 - wounded airman

    He was a Melbourne (Victoria, Australia) boy. Raises was a member of the 3rd St. Kilda (Jewish) Scout Group, in fact he is commemorated on the Group's 1939-45 War Honour Board, as one of the "Gallant Dead".

    It seems he hailed from Melbourne, Australia, and served with 54?, 127 Sqns before being killed with 601 Sqn on 10 Dec 42.

    According to the following newspaper article, Raises was wounded during March 1940. 27 Mar 1940 - RAF. BELIEVED TO HAVE MADE WIDESPREAD RAID LONDO...
    “Included in the latest Royal Air Force casualty list - the 23rd Issued - is Sgt B. Raises of Melbourne, wounded on active service.”

    I found another Brian Raises via the LGs with service number 42359 who made Acting P/O during Feb 40. I am not sure whether there is a mix up here between the two Raises – it seems unlikely both would have been from Melbourne and shared the same name! Any further details of Raises’ (913822) early service would also be of interest.

    Raises' forename was actually, Braham. He was a member of the Jewish faith:

    Commemorative Roll - Braham Raises | Australian War Memorial

    He was a Melbourne (Victoria, Australia) boy. Raises was a member of the 3rd St. Kilda (Jewish) Scout Group, in fact he is commemorated on the Group's 1939-45 War Honour Board, as one of the "Gallant Dead".

    Further to the March 1940 incident I found another newspaper article dated 8 May 41 - “B. Raises, a Jewish boy, who returned to Palestine after war had been declared, and later joined the R.A.F., was wounded when he was shot down over France early in the war.”
    08 May 1941 - OLD BOYS' SERVICE Melbourne H.S. Roll

    Also discovered a FlightGlobal reference from Apr 40 confirming the wounding of Braham Raises, 913822. Assuming the newspaper articles to be correct, and if Raises was indeed wounded over France around March 1940….. then what unit would he have been flying (maybe groundcrew?)?

    He was involved in an accident on the 15th of March 1940 in Magister P3658 of 54 Sq., which crashed at Upminster at 1045.

    15-3-1940
    No.54 Sqn.
    Magister I P6358 (not P3658)

    Hit tree while low flying, Upminster, Essex

    913822 Sgt Brian RAISES - Injured
    41508 P/O Robert Eli WEST +

    Not sure who was the pilot.

    Sorry about the typo on the serial.

    P/O west was the pilot according to "Hornchurch Scramble".
     
  5. bofors

    bofors Senior Member

    Hi Spidge

    Have you seen this at NAA-

    Item details for: A705, 166/35/691 Request copy


    Title
    RAISES - (Pilot Officer); Service Number - 136319 RAF; File type - Casualty - Repatriation; Place - unknown; Date - 10 December 1942Contents date range
    1942 - 1960Accumulation start date
    02 Jan 1946Series number
    A705
    Click to see which government agency or person created this item.Control symbol
    166/35/691Item barcode
    1078245Location
    CanberraAccess status
    OpenDate of decision
    07 Oct 2004Physical format
    PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)Alternative series and control symbol
    AT2010/4, 166/35/691Records authority class number
    1023677Date registered
    17 Dec 1993

    Unfortunately not open, so you have to pay!

    regards

    Robert
     
  6. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Hi Spidge - I'm guessing you have already checked Alan Storr on the pdf "AUSTRALIANS ENLISTED/SERVED IN THE ROYAL AIR FORCE IN WW2".

    It has this contact address for his family -

    (3) Archives : RAAF Casualty File ref A705, 166/35/691 : Mother : Mrs Raises Address : c/- Rossnive Marvelwear Knitting Mill, 155 Victoria St, East Brunswick. Victoria. Date of Death : 10/12/1942.



    I couldn't locate his casualty file at the NAA when I tried using his name, but luckily Alan had already found it....


    RAISES - (Pilot Officer); Service Number - 136319 RAF; File type - Casualty - Repatriation; Place - unknown; Date - 10 December 1942 (not digitised, open for release)
     
  7. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER Patron

    Thanks Dave and Robert.

    Still have to track down cause of loss - Someone may have the detail.

    I have all of those listed on a word document but missed #10 for some reason/

    136319 PO RAISES, BRAHAM.
    (Enlisted/served in the Royal Air Force. Missing on 10/12/1942)
    REFERENCES.

    (1) AWM Commemorative Roll :
    Name : Raises, Braham (also known as Raises, Brian) Service Number : 136319
    Unit : No 601 Squadron Service : Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve.
    Date of Death : 10/12/1942 Age at Death : 21 years
    Son of Nahum and May Raises of Tel Aviv, Israel.

    (2) Commonwealth War Graves :
    Name : Raises, Brian. Nationality : United Kingdom.
    Date of Death : 10/12/1942. Cemetery : Alamein Memorial, Column 249

    (3) Archives : RAAF Casualty File ref A705, 166/35/691 :
    Mother : Mrs Raises Address : c/- Rossnive Marvelwear Knitting Mill, 155 Victoria
    St, East Brunswick. Victoria. Date of Death : 10/12/1942.

    (4) RAF Squadrons by Wg Cdr C GT Jefford, MBE, RAF.
    AWM Call No R358 4131 09441 J45R
    Type of Aircraft flown by 601 Sqn in December 1942 : Spitfire
    Squadron location : El Nogra
    It can be concluded from the above that PO Raises mustering was that of Pilot.
     
  8. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    I couldn't resist it and spent the money to get the ORB pages downloaded

    He was reported missing when he failed to return from a patrol while flying in Spitfire ER461
     

    Attached Files:

  9. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER Patron

    I couldn't resist it and spent the money to get the ORB pages downloaded

    He was reported missing when he failed to return from a patrol while flying in Spitfire ER461

    Thanks Dave,

    You shouldn't have done that!

    Great info though.

    Owe you a dinner next time you are in Melbourne.


    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  10. philllip jones

    philllip jones Junior Member

    Thanks Dave,

    You shouldn't have done that!

    Great info though.

    Owe you a dinner next time you are in Melbourne.


    Cheers

    Geoff

    I have been following this thread and and i can add the following

    Joined 54 Sqd 13/2/40

    to 127 Sqd , On the 14/10/42 he forced Landed in HURRICANE BP227 he was safe ,

    While on 127 Sqd i have him shooting Down a JU87 2/9/42 then to 601 Sqd

    I can supply details of some of his flights and sorties , if these are of interest

    bw phill jones
     
  11. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER Patron

    I have been following this thread and and i can add the following

    Joined 54 Sqd 13/2/40

    to 127 Sqd , On the 14/10/42 he forced Landed in HURRICANE BP227 he was safe ,

    While on 127 Sqd i have him shooting Down a JU87 2/9/42 then to 601 Sqd

    I can supply details of some of his flights and sorties , if these are of interest

    bw phill jones

    Hi Phill,

    As my project will eventually go to the RAAF museum, any details on Australians would be most welcome.

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  12. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Thanks Dave,

    You shouldn't have done that!

    Great info though.

    Owe you a dinner next time you are in Melbourne.


    Cheers

    Geoff


    Cheers Geoff - I am using the brilliant new service from the TNA. I can get three month's worth of ORB extracts for the price of digitising one NAA file - and it happens almost instantaneously.

    My main query is regarding the aircraft number that a RAAF member was lost in and any other crew / casualties.

    I have had a better than 50% strike rate of finding that info in this relatively new resource - the same sort of strike rate I get from the pers & casualty files held by the NAA (where the aircraft details / number aren't on the file header).

    I now have less than 40 RAAF casualties where I don't know (to my satisfaction) their exact cause of death / full details of the incident.

    Seeing as how Alan Storr did the research on over 7000 casualties years before I even started I really have to acknowledge the ground-breaking work he performed and give him a bit vote of thanks.
     
  13. philllip jones

    philllip jones Junior Member

    Hi Phill,

    As my project will eventually go to the RAAF museum, any details on Australians would be most welcome.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    HI Geoff , sorry for my long silence been a hectic weekend some flight and sorties flown by RAISES , from the unit ORB'S , hope they are of use
    54 Sqd, 18/2/40 1st Solo on type Spitfire N3122,Sgt.
    54Sqd, 22/2/40, Sector Recce, Spitfire ,N3172,Sgt
    54 Sqd,23/2/40,Formation ,Spitfire ,N3122,Sgt
    54Sqd,23/2/40,Formation, Spitfire , N3172,Sgt
    54 Sqd,15/3/40,Injured Magister ,P6358.Sgt54 Sqd, 18/2/40 Local flt 1st solo on type .SPITFIRE . N3187,Sgt

    54Sqd, 24/11/40,Sortie ,Spitfire ,P8565,F/Sgt.

    127 Sqd, 5/7/42,Bomber Escort , Hurricane BP294.F/Sgt
    127 Sqd,9/7/42,Patrol, Hurricane ,BP294.F/Sgt
    127 Sqd,10/7/42Patrol ,Hurricane ,BP294.F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,10/7/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BP294 2 flights this day.F/Sgt
    127 Sqd,13/7/42,Patrol ,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,13/7/42,patrol,Hurricane,BP294,F/Sgt,2 flights this day.
    127 Sqd,14/7/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BE331,F/Sgt
    127 Sqd,15/7/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,17/7/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,21/7/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,22/7/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,25/7/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BP294.F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,27/7/42,Patrol ,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,1/8/42,Patrol ,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,6/8/42,Patrol ,Hurricane ,BP286,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,7/8/42,Patrol ,Hurricane ,BP298,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,8/8/42,Top Cover ,Hurricane,BP298,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,11/8/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,14/8/42,Patrol,Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,16/8/42,Close Escort,Hurricane,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,20/8/42,Close Support , Hurricane , BP294 ,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,24/8/42,Top Cover , Hurricane ,BP294,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,30/8/42,Scramble, Hurricane , Z5586,F/Sgt.
    127 Sqd,1/9/42,Top Cover , Hurricane ,BP654, W/O.
    127 Sqd, 2/9/42,Shot Down a JU87, Hurricane BP294,W/O
    127 Sqd, 3/9/42, Sweep, Hurricane BP289 .W/O.
    127 Sqd, 3/9/42 ,Top Cover , Hurricane ,BE331,W/O
    127 Sqd,5/9/42,Escort , Hurricane BE329,W/O.
    127 Sqd, 11/9/42,Interception , Hurricane BP320.W/O
    127 Sqd,21/9/42,Interception ,Hurricane ,BP320,W/O.
    127 Sqd, 26/9/42,Interception ,Hurricane ,BP289.W/O.
    127 Sqd,28/9/42,Patrol ,Hurricane BG227.W/O.
    127 Sqd,30/9/42,Scramble ,Hurricane ,BP227.W/O.
    127 Sqd,30/9/42,Patrol ,Hurricane ,BG950,W/O.
    127 Sqd,14/10/42,Forced Landing /safe , Hurricane BP227,W/O

    601 Sqd, 10/12/42 KIA , Spitfire Pilot Officer.
    bw phill jones
     
  14. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER Patron

    Hi Phill,

    Great detail - Thank you.

    Will add to his history. A couple of gaps there. One due to injury - March to November 1940.

    Another 20 month gap here:

    54Sqd, 24/11/40,Sortie ,Spitfire ,P8565,F/Sgt.

    127 Sqd, 5/7/42,Bomber Escort , Hurricane BP294.F/Sgt

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  15. philllip jones

    philllip jones Junior Member

    Hi Phill,

    Great detail - Thank you.

    Will add to his history. A couple of gaps there. One due to injury - March to November 1940.

    Another 20 month gap here:

    54Sqd, 24/11/40,Sortie ,Spitfire ,P8565,F/Sgt.

    127 Sqd, 5/7/42,Bomber Escort , Hurricane BP294.F/Sgt

    Cheers

    Geoff
    Hi ,Glad the gen was of some use , one mistake i have noticed is 18/2/40 Local flt 1st solo on type , was in spitfire ,N3187 , NOT N3122 , sorry i t appears my reply got messed up , yes i Noticed the gaps , sorry cannot help with this , was he instructing at AN OTU ? IT does seem a big gap too possibly another Sqd posting ? if you ever find out let me know ?

    best wishes phill jones
     
  16. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Connecting to this thread from another - WW2 Photo

    Realised that you may need a copy of the ORB for the day he was lost
    14706378_39671518-62bf-49f8-b588-67b9b6efe85b.jpeg

    TD
     
  17. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Hello TD,

    Orb is attached to

    Post #8

    Kyle
     
  18. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Thanks Kyle - thought I had looked through the whole post - time for specsavers again or sort out the glaucoma o_O

    TD
     
  19. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Didn't get involved as before my time :)
    but Post #7 should read "c/o Rosenove, Marvelwear Knitting Mills, 155 Victoria Street, East Brunswick..."
    The Rosenove family were related to Braham Raises, and his file has now been digitised (but apart from someone taking a lot of trouble to trace Mrs Raises who was in poor health in Jn 1946, there's no mention of any first name, whether Brian of Braham.
    Given that the NAA record several Bulgarians as Raises, that might be their origin, and shows as of Jewish extract, so perhaps a progrom?
    An Ivan Rosenove, from Prahran served in RAN from 1944 till demob in 1947, so another relative?

    The NAA files also show
    RAISES Joseph born 15 February 1872; Nahum Leon born 6 October 1893; May born 29 July 1892 (wife of Nahum Leon); Belle 16 years old.
    and also [2nd AIF Headquarters (Middle East), registry records:] [Correspondence with Miss Naomi RAISES - Ramat Gan - 9 June 1941]
    As 1941 is BEFORE his death, don't know if that is related, but family do seem to have been in Palestine pre War. Perhaps that may have been a family home?

    Just putting the info out there in case it is of use.
     
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  20. Braham Power

    Braham Power Member

    All of this information is absolutely amazing - thank you so so much.
    I am the son of Naomi Raises who moved back to Aust after the war The rest of the family stayed in what became Israel. Both Belle and Naomi are now deceased as are all other family members. To have all of this information is very emotional but so delightful as well. Thank you
     
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