Jersey

Discussion in 'WW2 Battlefields Today' started by von Poop, Apr 6, 2006.

  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Going to Jersey for a week in the Summer.
    (remember 'summer' UK-ites.. That bit that's marginally warmer/drier between Winter and Winter)
    It looks like I might get away for a proper shamble round the Occupation sites for a day and have been appointed 'official pointer-out of lumps of concrete with Rusty bits poking out'.
    I'm reading the books, scanning the websites and collecting the photos but can anyone who's been there give an opinion of what's a must see?? (or even what's not worth bothering with.)
    I seem to remember there was a Russian Cemetary there, I had some pictures of it post-war (if it was Jersey? maybe another island?) anyone know if there's still any trace of it?
    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Adam
    We did Guernsey in 2000.For two weeks.I made sure we did more than a day on WW2. Used the After The Battle book as a good guide.
    I loved it. Good listening to stories of an old lady who was there in the war. She was terrified of the Soviet POWs more than the Germans.
    (Didn't get to Jersey though. Alderney had a concentration camp.)
    Also have a read herehttp://www.travelintelligence.net/php/articles/art.php?id=388

    PS Have a nice holiday.
     

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  3. Gibbo

    Gibbo Senior Member

    It's 28 years since I was there but I'm sure that the major WW2 related sight will still be the Underground Hospital, built by slave labour. From what I can remember, there were then several small museums of the period but no single large one. I'm going for a beer tomorrow with a friend who was there last year & is interested in military history. I'll get a more up to date view from him & post it over the weekend.
     
  4. Gerry Chester

    Gerry Chester WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Hi VP,

    The German built underground hospital is a must. Gorey Castle, long under siege some centuries ago should not be missed.

    Enjoy the island,

    From another island, cheers, Gerry
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Cheers everybody, good stuff so far.
    Everyone's telling me the Hospital is the Number one spot so that's on the list.
    Owen, I'm a great believer in anything published by 'after the battle' so I might just order that.
    As for Gorey castle, I think that's where i'm staying for the week (Elizabethan re-enacting...) though there's 2 castles so I may be at the other, keep forgetting which.
    Any more info?
     
  6. Gibbo

    Gibbo Senior Member

    I spoke to my friend who was there a couple of years ago & he confirmed that the Underground Hospital is the most impressive thing to see. He suggested not starting with it as other places might seem an anti-climax after it. He recommended the Jersey Museum for the history of the island & the Occupation Museum, which are both in St. Helier. He thinks that there is a vehicle museum on the west of the island but didn't visit it. There are also a lot of WW2 fortifications dotted about the place.
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Been now. Stayed at Gorey castle, recently restored and the best I've seen (and I've seen a few) enhanced by 3 of the towers carrying German OP's. Concrete hunting while coming in on the Seacat was fascinating and very tricky, it gave little idea of the sheer scale of the defences, nor how well-hidden they were.
    Went to the underground hospital but found it disappointing, interesting structure but presented in the rather vapid 'PR' way that museums seem to aim for recently.
    Met a pleasingly mad old chap & his wife on the Saturday, both were present during the occupation (tales of cat-eating and turnip Jam) who directed us to Noirmont point and Corbiere point and from there to follow the coast... very good advice.
    The OP tower and Battery at Noirmont are impressive but they pale when compared with the defences north of St. Ouens bay. If we'd followed our cries of 'Concrete!' every time another bunker/emplacement was spotted we'd have been there far longer than the several hours we managed.
    Also along the beach at St. Ouens was a Bunker with a French Tank turret mounted on top (Char-b?) which contained the Channel Islands Military Museum. which was a superb collection of militaria with some of the finest preserved examples of German & Allied kit i've ever seen anywhere, part owned by a chap who runs a militaria shop from the back of his clothes shop in St. Helier, very friendly bloke who helped add to 2 mates Kriegsmarine and Propaganda collections. He also sold our 13 year old companion his first piece of German Militaria (nice price, top bloke)...
    If you visit be prepared to get lost on the bizarre roads and risk your life while looking at German defences perched on some of the most beautiful coastal cliffs I've ever seen. It's truly brought home to me that when I read an account of an assault on a battery it's not necessarily the handful of guns in a mud hole that my mind conjures but can also mean an emplacement the size of a small town riddled with large calibre guns,(many still there) impressive stuff.
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    One of the Large OP towers is said to be being converted into holiday lets... so we may go back one day.
    Jersey. Recommended... but it is quite a strange place.
    Cheers,
    Adam
     

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  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Surprised you were sober enough to remember anything. :)
    Picture #1 looks scary.
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    No kids.
    mmmmmm.
    Duty free on the ferry, (though what's the use of a 1 litre spirit allowance???)
    Certainly mildly dishevelled.
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Surprised you were sober enough to remember anything. :)
    Picture #1 looks scary.

    Cold!!!!!!
     
  11. lancesergeant

    lancesergeant Senior Member

    The operating theatre. Is it all in as good nick as this?
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The operating theatre. Is it all in as good nick as this?
    Not really, the tunnels are in very good order and that room's one of the better displayed, they've obviously gone for the 'creepy' look. As for the bunkers they range from near complete with guns and rangefinders installed to p*ss-stained grafitti practice zones. The better ones can mostly be opened up with a phone number, we didn't really have time to use the ones we acquired but I'd advise anyone going on a serious trip to try and obtain some from the 'Channel islands occupation society'.. Seem like very helpful people.
     
  13. Bombs Away

    Bombs Away Junior Member

    Hi, just to let you know, the best WW2 sites on Jersey are those that are not seen or open to the general public. So, it is a must for any enthusiast to make contact with a willing local that will show you the hidden bunkers etc.

    The Underground Hospital is still open but the Motor museum and occupation museum have closed.

    Last summer I found a german morse code signalling devise still mounted on its marble work top. Lots more german goodies buried deep inside many underground bunkers. They were buried/in-tombed by the British in 1945/6 after we were liberated. Many big German naval guns are still visiable over the edge of the cliffs where they were chucked by the British just to get rid of them.
     
  14. stevew

    stevew Senior Member

    I was just reminiscing about my holidays in Jersey in the early 80's. I recall only going to 2 WW2 sites, the Underground hospital and what I believe was a museum in a bunker, I can't remember where that was or what it was called. Just looking on a map and seeing how many more WW2 sites there are for the paying public to visit
     
  15. plant-pilot

    plant-pilot Senior Member

    Have to agree with the 'strange' comment. I think Jersey is a wonderful place appart from some of the people.

    Jersey Tunnels are worth a look, although you have to understand that they are ther in order to tell the story of the occupation, not just to show a reconstruction of how they were during the occupation. They were after all, never finished.

    The bunker complex at Les Landes is interesting, although the best benefit is gained when you arrange for it to be open during your visit. Recently been renovated so get there soon.

    As has been said before, St Owens Bay, with the Jersey Military Museum is worth a trip. It may be small, but very interesting. For those who don't know, St Owens Bay was thought by the Germans to be the most likely place for an invasion and so was one of the best defended areas on the already very well defended island.

    Worth a week, with a day or two on occupation sights, but more than that can be a little much.
     
  16. en830

    en830 Member

    As has been said before, St Owens Bay, with the Jersey Military Museum is worth a trip. It may be small, but very interesting. For those who don't know, St Owens Bay was thought by the Germans to be the most likely place for an invasion and so was one of the best defended areas on the already very well defended island.

    Did the Welsh invade ???? For the uneducated it's St Ouen's (Saint Wan, as in wand without the 'd') :)

    Worth a week, with a day or two on occupation sights, but more than that can be a little much.

    As a local I'd prefer for the grockles just to send us their money and not clog up our roads by stopping in the most inopportune places to consult a map :)
     
  17. plant-pilot

    plant-pilot Senior Member

    Did the Welsh invade ???? For the uneducated it's St Ouen's (Saint Wan, as in wand without the 'd') :)

    My typing error and my apologies.



    As a local I'd prefer for the grockles just to send us their money and not clog up our roads by stopping in the most inopportune places to consult a map :)

    Well if you could actually make roads that are wide enough for more than one car at a time you wouldn't have as much of a problem would you?

    As for just wanting the money but not the tourists.... hey, in an ideal world. But we all have to put up with somethings in order to have the money coming in. How about realizing that the money is there because of the visitors and not despite them? Or it's a bit like a shopkeeper not wanting customers.:)
     
  18. en830

    en830 Member

    My typing error and my apologies.





    Well if you could actually make roads that are wide enough for more than one car at a time you wouldn't have as much of a problem would you?

    As for just wanting the money but not the tourists.... hey, in an ideal world. But we all have to put up with somethings in order to have the money coming in. How about realizing that the money is there because of the visitors and not despite them? Or it's a bit like a shopkeeper not wanting customers.:)

    The money's here because of the offshore finance industry, tourism is just incidental ;-)
     
  19. plant-pilot

    plant-pilot Senior Member

    The money's here because of the offshore finance industry, tourism is just incidental ;-)

    Well if that is the case, why not just stop the island actively attracting so many tourists and see how much of that money from the financial services actually makes it into the local economy. Not enough to keep the ordinary Islanders in employment, let alone all the Poles and Portuguese that have been attracted as 'cheap' labor for the service industry.

    I do think that the Channel Islands put up a face of financial strength, but in actual fact it is all based on some very sketchy foundations. Therefore there is safety in diversity. Finance, agriculture and tourism all play their part shoring up each other.
     
  20. en830

    en830 Member

    A recent report from our Gov't showed that the financial services sector provided slightly less than 60% to the islands economy, tourism and agriculture combined less than 7%, like I say incidental, the other 33% being made up of the services industries.

    The offshore finance industry was instigated in 1961, and has grown to a level whereby in excess of £60bn passes through Jersey annually. We have had a flat 20% tax rate since 1947, but taking into account various allowances the majority of the population pay less than 13% tax. As for being a tax haven with dodgy dealings, there is more bent money passing through the banks of the onshore jurisdictions such as the UK and US than passes through the whole of the Offshore finance industry. Jersey is considered to be one of the best regulated jurisdictions, with strict anti-money laundering procedures and laws.

    As for "cheap" labour, the UK can't stand on ceremony there, at least all labour in Jersey in monitored and we have very few if any "illegals" working here. Those in cheap labour, live in reasonable accomodation (not dos-houses) and in the main send their money home, so are supporting other economies which are not as advanced as ours.

    One thing you may not have noticed as you travelled around the islands that are a legacy from the Occupation are the road makings, which are a yellow line at each junction which means stop, not give way. These were introduced by the occupying forces, ironically it was Germany who recently tried to impose a standard across Europe and have these removed from Jersey roads.
     

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