Identifying my family's WW2 Insignia

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by simond9x, Aug 7, 2019.

  1. simond9x

    simond9x Member

    This is my first post here so I hope I've put it in the correct place - apologies if not. I'm writing my family history and have a photograph of my father and his 3 brothers taken in 1941 at a wedding. They are, left to right, Jack, Bill (my father), Ben and Emrys. I know that my father was in the REME and went out to India as part of the XIV Army. His brother Jack served in Iraq, I believe as part of the Eighth Army. Can anyone tell me any more about them from the insignia seen in the photograph please? My father must be in dress uniform as all other photos we have of him show him in combat uniform with REME insignia.

    Very grateful for any help, thanks
    Simon
    1941-02-08 Jack, Bill, Ben, Emrys at Emrys' wedding.jpg
     
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  2. wibs12

    wibs12 Patron Patron

    Hi, others will help with the insignia I'm sure..... the best thing to do is to apply for their service records. In the meantime, can you give a little more info on their full names, years and places of birth / death... would help to trace info.
     
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  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Service records is the way to go date of birth and death cert only required you dont require his service number.


    Apply for the records of someone who's deceased
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    • you’re their immediate next of kin, for example their spouse or parent
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    • you have a general research interest - you’ll only have access to limited information, unless they died more than 25 years ago
    You need to know the person’s full name, date of birth

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  4. simond9x

    simond9x Member

    Hi, .
    Jack is John Emlyn Phillips born 1910 in Ferndale, Wales
    Ben is Benjamin David Phillips born 1907 in Penboyr, Wales (but lived his life in Ferndale and Ton Pentre)
    Emrys is Thomas Emrys Phillips born 1918 (we think) in Ferndale, Wales

    That's all I know. I've already written off for my father's service records.
    Many thanks.
     
  5. idler

    idler GeneralList Patron

    I'm going to open the bidding with 'Royal Artillery' for your dad.

    REME was formed in late 1942 so he would have been transferred in from wherever he was. If you haven't got his service records you really need to apply for them from the MoD
     
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    good show my dad was born in Ferndale in 1912
     
  7. simond9x

    simond9x Member

    Probably Royal Engineers prior to REME..... he always was in 'engineering'

    I have applied for my father's service records but believe they'll take weeks to come. For the brothers, I was just hoping that someone might identify their insignia. I really only need a sentence or two on each as it's my father's service I'm drilling down into.
     
  8. simond9x

    simond9x Member

    :cheers:
     
  9. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    OP has also posted in GWF & followed my advice to post here.

    Steve
     
  10. idler

    idler GeneralList Patron

    That was my first thought with the collar dogs but the cap badge didn't look circular enough. The sidecap and tunic colours might also have something to say.
     
  11. Pat Atkins

    Pat Atkins Patron Patron

    Brother on (our) right - Welsh Regt? Going by badges (Pow feathers, distinctive scroll on collar dogs); however, there are a number of quite similarly-badged units.
     
  12. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Possible death records for your uncles, you will need these details if applying for records:-

    First name(s) BENJAMIN DAVID
    Last name PHILLIPS
    Gender Male
    Birth day 19
    Birth month 9
    Birth year 1907
    Age -
    Death quarter 2
    Death year 1983
    District Pontypridd
    County Glamorganshire
    Volume 27
    Page 1198
    Country Wales

    First name(s) JOHN EMLYN
    Last name PHILLIPS
    Gender Male
    Birth day 27
    Birth month 8
    Birth year 1910
    Age -
    Death quarter 3
    Death year 1982
    District Sefton North
    County Lancashire
    Volume 37
    Page 0233
    Country England

    First name(s) THOMAS EMRYS
    Last name PHILLIPS
    Gender Male
    Birth day 31
    Birth month 12
    Birth year 1917
    Age -
    Death quarter 4
    Death year 1977
    District Pontypridd
    County Glamorganshire
    Volume 27
    Page 1362
    Country Wales
     
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  13. simond9x

    simond9x Member

    Thanks. The first two look right but I don't think Emrys was born in 1917.... his older sister was definitely born in 1917 and they weren't twins. I really appreciate you looking but please don't spend time on the 3 brothers other than maybe advising on their regiments based on their insignia. I'm only pursuing my father in detail and I've already sent for his service records. I just wanted to caption the photograph with the brothers' regiments. Maybe my cousins will pursue their fathers in more detail. But, as I say, many thanks.
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    2 results for information - are you sure he was Thomas Emrys and not Emrys Thomas???

    All England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Emrys Thomas Phillips 28 Mar 1918 Dec 1998 Neath and Port Talbot West Glamorgan

    Thomas Emrys Phillips 31 Dec 1917 Oct 1977 Oct-Nov-Dec Pontypridd Mid Glamorgan

    TD
     

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