Hitler faked death and flew to Tenerife ?

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  1. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    Another tall story? Probably invaded the sunbeds around a pool. :D

    Using a collection of never-before-seen documents, the team claim to have proof Hitler did not kill himself in his underground bunker at the end of the Second World War.

    Instead, the investigators believe Hitler faked his own death before scarpering to the Canary Islands to live out his days in the sunshine.

    Read more

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/632677/Adolf-Hitler-Nazi-fake-death-World-War-Two-Tenerife
     
  2. smdarby

    smdarby Well-Known Member

    Good luck to the guys who made the programme. I think I might try the same:

    "Dear History Channel, I have some documents I've just found to show that Hitler escaped to Hawaii, Tahiti and the Caribbean after WWII. All I need is a few plane tickets and some expenses to prove this. Cheers, Shaun."
     
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  3. MLW

    MLW Senior Member

    This is what happens when you try to tell history without a historian. The "investigators" ignored all proof that Hitler died in the bunker and instead embarked on a wild chase after rumors and innuendo.
     
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  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    S'all true.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry5L3ybOB_0
     
  5. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Just how many doppelgängers can one man have. :rolleyes:
     
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    I hear he helped rebuild the flying scotsman but not in the correct livery
     
  7. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Wow! This ties in with this photo I was sent by an ex -CIA agent! :)

    Kyle
     

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  8. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Forgive me if I find it difficult to understand why

    A. Someone spent a considerable amount of time in researching this nonsense
    and
    B. Other folk spent good money buying and reading their efforts

    Bewildered from Cockfosters

    Ron
     
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  9. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    There seemed to be a preponderance of "roswell aliens" and starlet's biki tops dropping off on that "site"...

    I think the Hitler story was still the least factually relevant there though ;)

    I think smdarby though (post#2 above) is quite right re. their "incentive" - same as why politicos go to Bali and the Caribbean to "get together" and do fact checks etc. Berlin to Teneriffe though is hardly credible, Hitler loathed Franco and the feeling was pretty mutual. He'd have been "sold" to the highest bidder, rather than have been left in retirement, for many dollars or roubles at the drop of a hat.

    Plenty of negative comments below the "article" - have already had their say. I am planning to watch "Downfall" again though as I think that's more to the point.

    The Russians in Berlin had a lot of time to look over the evidence and plenty of time to question all those that remained of those there. There were also lots of visitors to the bunker from the west. A group of the SRY for instance (I believe) went there. If there's any confusion at all it probably stems most from some dopplegangers of Hitler (most of whom looked very little like him once they had shaved off the moustashce) of which it's already been seen there were a few.
     
  10. Over Here

    Over Here Junior Member

    Did he ever fly for KLM?
     
  11. Roger Clark

    Roger Clark Junior Member

    I've been watching the History Channel's Hunting Hitler series. Eight hour-long programs - 45 minutes if you omit the adverts. The series, which argues Hitler escaped from the Berlin bunker in 1945 and fled to South America - yes, that old story again! - is a disaster. The team of investigators, who constantly fail to find any evidence to back up their claims, is headed by an ex-CIA man, Bob Baer. The journalist Gerrard Williams, who co-authored the bogus history book and film GREY WOLF - the escape of Adolf Hitler, has a starring role.

    At the beginning of Hunting Hitler we are told in 2014 over 700 pages of secret FBI documents were declassified. They revealed the US government were investigating Adolf Hitler's whereabouts months and even years after he was believed dead.

    ‘In these files are thousands of leads,’ states Bob Baer. ‘This is report, after report, after report…’

    ‘Thousands of leads’? … Thousand of false leads more like it - gossip, rumours, hearsay, legends and folklore - phony information and mistaken identities. Those FBI reports are based on people reporting they had seen Hitler, nothing more - thousands of uncorroborated sightings. The FBI wrote up the reports and filed them away.

    But Bob and the team believe they could be true. In 1948 FBI documents suggest after landing in Argentina Hitler has moved northwards. He's now in Bogota, Colombia. The team think this indicates Hitler had hopes of regaining power. He is only 2,000 miles from the United States. With him are two physicists. ‘They carried with them secret plans for the V3 Sky Rocket bomb and the complete record of the German nuclear investigations,’ we are told.

    ‘He’s going operational,’ exclaims Baer in the final program. Hitler is planning to strike the United States with rockets armed with nuclear warheads.

    Standing on the banks of a swamp where the team have yet again failed to find any evidence to back up their theories Baer asserts: ‘There is no evidence that Hitler died in the bunker. But we do have - no doubt in my mind - more evidence that he could have gotten away than there is for his death in Berlin ... This is better evidence than we have from the bunker.’

    In these closing minutes Baer launches an all-out attack on historians. Baer claims he was sceptical at the beginning. He believed the accepted story that Hitler committed suicide in 1945. But … ‘I find this frankly appalling that the historians have left it at that assumption that I've lived with my whole life,’ he says. ‘We are fed history and expected to believe it. And based on what? History books say without a shadow of a doubt that Hitler died in the bunker. I can safely say - with the evidence that I have uncovered - that that's not true. History is not fixed as we have perceived it. I will never stop looking for the truth. I never take facts at face value and never will.'

    I could go on, but you get the idea what this series is like ... The series cost $16 million which makes it one of the most expensive fake Hitler documentary series ever made. The History Channel is broadcasting the programs to over 180 countries.Talk about irresponsible programming. How dare they! But you can watch the episodes for free as they are surfacing all over the Internet. How many mistakes can you find?
     
  12. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    :) It does make for an "interesting difference" when one channel can choose to show 8 hours on the "subject" and another:

    [SIZE=10pt]The Day Hitler Died (January 24th 2016 - ITV, 10.15pm)[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=10pt]This partly dramatised documentary tells the definitive story of Adolf Hitler's final hours - told by people who were there. It features exclusive interviews filmed in 1948, which have never been seen before in the UK and only recently rediscovered after 65 years, with the inner circle who were trapped with the dictator in his Berlin bunker as the Russians fought to take city. Parts of the bunker have been rebuilt according to this eyewitness testimony in order to forensically chart the last hours, days and minutes of the Fuhrer's life.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=10pt]http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/the-day-hitler-died/0/3428237[/SIZE]

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/rare-interviews-adolph-hitler-inner-circle-smithsonian-channel-180957283/?no-ist

    I've always thought that the big problem is "careers" being fed by this monster :rolleyes:
    Where's my 8 hours on Churchill's still alive and he's planning on bringing the British Empire back!!!
    (Seems much more probable, now where's my £ / $ millions to make that ;) )

    Ps. He'd only be 141 years old, but perhaps "cloning" or an "elixir of youth" could be involved? We could call it "The Empire Strikes Back" :P I think it seems plausible perhaps???
    http://www.mathcats.com/explore/age/calculator.html
     
  13. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    I herd Stalin is alive in Playboy mansion.

    Need a crack team and to go undercover.

    Will take six weeks to reveal. Pls History Channel $5m to fund historee pls.
     
  14. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    We've "got"...

    Archangel (2005) (AKA - by me RM as "Son of Stalin" or "Stalin's mini-me"
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426911/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel_(Harris_novel)

    (Cut'n'paste should do it I suspect ;) )

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/archangel/

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1168888-archangel/

    I seem to remember I quite enjoyed it. And it had a bit of a feel like an early outing for Craig as Bond.

    Although some reviews were a bit mixed on that score:
    http://www.film.com/movies/archangel-no-piece-of-heaven-for-daniel-craig-fans

    Perhaps if it had involved the "playboy mansion" though, it might have garnered a wider audience ;)

    Perhaps they missed a "trick" there. Still time for a "remake" though p'haps ;)

    I think perhaps Putin might have seen it and thought that the premise was plausible? And worth a go?
     
  15. Roger Clark

    Roger Clark Junior Member

    What appalls me is that thousands of people believe this trash. I'm also appalled that anyone can get together $16 million dollars to make programs as untrue and damaging as these. I worked for years in the BBC radio and despite what critics claim we worked on tiny budgets of a few hundred pounds per program. Each of the Hunting Hitler programs cost $2 million.
     
  16. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    :) It just reminds me of that great line...

    "Successfully faking a trip to the moon would have cost the US more than actually going there..."

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=faking+a+trip+to+the+moon+would+have+cost+more+than+actually+going+there&oq=faking+a+trip+to+the+moon+would+have+cost+more+than+actually+going+there+&aqs=chrome..69i57.12862j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

    The whole "logistics" of a "Hitler survived" story just don't stack up. No one on "his" side would have benefited more from his survival than by his demise.

    Just assuming he had lived beyond the bunker, Stalin would have got him. Or he'd have been sold out by a crony in a heartbeat for more lenient terms. And there he would have suffered by far a fate worse than death...

    Why don't they make these things on the basis of "okay, prove it" and if you don't "give us our money back and we'll make something better with that".

    I doubt if they had to pay for this themselves they'd be on-board with that. The main problem is once you've "bought the book" or "watched the show" their job is done. And they are already spending/spent the bucks. There's no come back, like "give me my money back", or "I want those 8 hours of my life back... (of the cash equivalent for my valuable time ;) )"

    It's okay not to watch them, but I am with you, why on earth does this trash still get made :mad: And once made, why on earth are they "allowed" to "walk away with the cash" - trades descriptions anyone? what about a bill of miss-sale???! ;)

    (I think people that get called by PPI firms incessantly can bill the company for their wasted time, so I'd like to see someone pursue the "History Channel" - I don't get/watch it though (Whew!) so I'm not their demographic and don't have a horse in that race :D

    All the best,

    Rm.
     
  17. Roger Clark

    Roger Clark Junior Member

    Ramiies ... I think you are right when you say: 'There's no come back, like "give me my money back", or "I want those 8 hours of my life back... (of the cash equivalent for my valuable time ;) )".

    However the next best thing is for people who do know what they are talking about to challenge the fantasists. If you do expect a lot of flack! It's astonishing how ferocious many of the Hitler survivalists are - especially their supporters. They go berserk when challenged! But I keep on doing it so they don't get a free ride. That's why I've issued a challenge to others to spot the mistakes in the series. There are so many you could fill a book. And as you can watch the programs free on the Internet you are not putting good money into bad peoples' pockets. So the more critics the better. Let's worry the fantasists and warn people who might be fooled by them.
     
  18. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    merged with earlier thread.
     
  19. smdarby

    smdarby Well-Known Member

    These kinds of programmes work on two levels, and the people who make them know this. On the one hand, there are those who watch because they believe in this sort of thing and feel superior because they think they are getting access to knowledge that the duped masses don't have. On the other hand, there are those who watch because they can't believe others would be taken in by these sorts of conspiracy theories, and that makes them feel superior. So, everyone ends up feeling smug about themselves, which is what the programme makers want, because it means people will keep on watching. Fox News is the master at this and I spend too much time watching it, even though I know I'm being manipulated and I know I shouldn't watch. Unfortunately, these sorts of programmes are becoming more prevalent, simply because they tend to achieve their purpose. Remember, these shows will continue to get made if we watch them - doesn't matter whether the viewer agrees with them or not, it's viewing figures that count. We've only got ourselves to blame.
     
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