Help with Leonard EDWIN please

Discussion in 'General' started by Mavis Williams, Jun 26, 2018.

  1. Mavis Williams

    Mavis Williams Well-Known Member

    Hi Everyone, I have on the Hawarden War Memorial a Serviceman who's become an enigma. All the names are written with the Surname second, hence Leonard EDWIN. I have searched the CWGC, FMP, Ancestry, Forces War Records, and did find one, with the initials L.N.J.,Sjt., Regiment Middlesex Regiment,
    6202842, but I don't think he died, but was wounded. I have tried changing the Leonard to Lennard, changing that to the Surname - hence Edwin LEONARD (LENNARD), Leonard EWIN, and anything, in between, but cannot find any trace of poor Leonard. I don't want him to be forgotten and I know you are all wonderful, but I am wondering if you might have met your match with this query!! I do hope not. Please if anyone can shed any light on him, I would be very grateful... Kindest regards, Mavis Williams
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Hi Mavis

    Well we know it cannot be this Edwin Leonard
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Edwin Leonard
    Death Age: 75
    Birth Date: 10 Jan 1927
    Registration Date: Apr 2002
    Registration district: Chester and ellesmere Port
    Inferred County: Cheshire
    Register Number: C52
    District and Subdistrict: 3401C

    Will keep looking

    TD

    Sorry should have added his birth details
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Edwin Leonard
    Registration Date: 1927
    Registration district: Holywell
    Inferred County: Flintshire
    Re-registration Year: 1927
    Mother's Maiden Name: Brassington
    Volume Number: 11b
    Page Number: 271
     
  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    hello Mavis this happens many times on memorials so we could all be guessing

    issues we find
    Names spelt incorrectly
    Surname missed off and first 2 names included
    Names wrong way around
    A non serving local person who possibly died during the war and was added for an unknown reason
    A person added who was related to alocal person but lived elsewhere in the country

    it just goes on

    Could you try to get the original transcripts for the memorial

    could try here Hawarden Rural District Council WW2 Roll Of Honour
    Men Of Hawarden - Boer War And WW2


    Im sure someone will turn up something

    regards
    Clive
     
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  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

  5. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    EDWIN Leslie N.J. Sergeant 6202842 1/8th Battalion Middlesex Regiment
    1911 - 1968 Amounderness, Lancashire Age 57
     
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  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

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    TD
     
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  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Mavis

    I have been checking on Ancestry all those born in Harwarden between 1913 and 1925 with a possible forename of Leonard or Edwin to see what surnames might appear but none fit the bill.

    I know you are local to there and working on the Roll of Honour but I must assume that somewhere in the local archives is the original paperwork that was written to make the memorial listing in the first place, is it possible for you to check the original files and see what they hold on this person if indeed it is a real person as CL1 pointed out in post 3 - if have already done that I apologise

    TD
     
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  8. Mavis Williams

    Mavis Williams Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for your efforts, I know it was a shot in the dark, but worth a try. I have found some mistakes as well with other War Memorials, just as you say a letter wrong here or there, sometimes. I have the local papers that gave more on the names for those from Shotton & Connah's Quay, but will go through the newspapers I have had copies made of again, just in case. He could be hiding somewhere. Thanks so much folks! Kindest regards, Mavis
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Mavis
    The way te memorial is listed then Edwin appears to be his surname. Checking births for these between 1910 and 1925 in Flintshire gives me zero results, so it could be assumed he moved to that area.

    The listing he appears on is for ?? WW2 or wider conflicts??

    The other thing I have noticed to support that, is that Edwin seems to be a more Midlands surname, so that begs the question what was the criteria for inclusion on the memorial - it may be he married a local girl ??, and was therefore not locally born

    Just some more thoughts whilst I and my computer are cooler in the moring air
    TD
     
  10. Mavis Williams

    Mavis Williams Well-Known Member

    Hi TD, The photograph is one of 4 panels, all WW2. I had all the local news re WW1 , but have only just started on WW2 and therefore haven't had chance to go through the newspapers, trying to pick up information re the "fallen" and wounded etc. Thanks also to CL1 for the links and I have seen the Roll of Honour, it's in the Monumental Inscriptions books that are at the Record Office at Hawarden. Also Guy Hudson for clarifying the only Leonard N.J. EDWIN I found. I will try and find out from Council Meeting Minutes etc., if there was anyone who was making list of the "Fallen", but if it was the same as WW1, then there was no Official Army lists, it was up to the public, families, friends etc., to put names forward and I think they went to the Vicar. Anyway you have all done valiantly , as usual, and my thanks go to you all. Kindest regards, Mavis
     
  11. 51highland

    51highland Very Senior Member

    As you say he was wounded but cannot find further trace of him.
     

    Attached Files:

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  12. Mavis Williams

    Mavis Williams Well-Known Member

    Thank you 51highland. That was the Casualty form I found him on. Regards, Mavis
     
  13. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    Hi, I think there is some confusion. Isn't it Lesley N J Edwin on the casualty form and he passed away in 1968.
    Diane
     
  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hello Diane i think Guy just showed the info that Mavis already confirmng its not the chap

    Regards
    Clive
     
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  15. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    This could get interesting

    Leslie N J Edwin Jul-Aug-Sep 1946 Ormskirk Lancashire Elsie J Smith

    Leslie N J Edwin Jul-Aug-Sep 1932 Staines Middlesex Kathleen Bryan


    :rolleyes: should I explore further?/

    TD
     
  16. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Drawn blanks on this one. My money is on him being a civilian war casualty who was not reported to CWGC or who CWGC rejected as not meeting their criteria for listing in their records.
    TD - if you're still going on this one, have you seen:
    Probate Calendar - Margaret Rhoda Edwin, widow, 46,St Margaret's Drive, Rhyl died 17 May 60. Rhyl is not far from Hawarden.
    Haven't time to look any further at the moment.

    Tim
     
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  17. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    TD,
    #5 he died in 1968.

    Edwin LEONARD
    10th January 1927 Holywell Fintshire - 2Q 2002 Chester & Ellesmere Port

    Edwin LEONARD married at Hawarden in 1962

    Confused ???
    Is it definitely a R.O.H. and not a record of local men that served in the armed forces?
     
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  18. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    well done
    Could have been arp home guard fire warden and put on there for that reason
    Original transcripts might help
     
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  19. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Leonard family 1939 register, Hawarden, Flintshire

    Leonard Household (6 People) "wihsholme" Aston Hall , Hawarden R.D., Flintshire, Wales


    First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number

    Edwin Leonard 10 Jan 1927 Male At School Single 180 6

    John Leonard 09 Apr 1884 Male Loco Driver Married 180 1

    Clara Leonard 03 Dec 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 180 2

    Clara C Leonard 30 Jun 1913 Female Clerk (Warehouse) Single 180 3

    Olive Connah (Leonard) 01 Sep 1918 Female Factory Hand Single 180 4

    Stanley Leonard 08 Oct 1924 Male At School Single 180 5
     
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  20. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    sorted well done Guy
     

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