Help Needed Please?

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  1. Gunner400

    Gunner400 Active Member

    Hi I am looking at a pair of WW2 medals and they do not have any info besides the box of issue and on the front it says
    Mr JE Lindsay180 Endike Road, Hull
    On the rear is
    If undelivered please return to Director of Navy Accounts, branch 3B, D Block, Foxhill Hutments, Bath.

    I can see he was born in 1918 and died Hull in 1993, he married in 1943 to a Sylvia Yorke but that’s all.

    can anybody assist with what/ where/ when he served in the Navy, Merchant Marine etc and any rank and service number

    thanks in anticipation

    gunner
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Can you upload an image of the box that is readable ish

    Could it be J F Lindsay

    TD
     
  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    A possible, but no naval connection as yet

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: John Edward Lindsay
    Death Age: 74
    Birth Date: 15 Oct 1918
    Registration Date: Jul 1993
    Registration District: Hull
    Inferred County: Humberside
    Register Number: A43A
    District and Subdistrict: 5502A
    Entry Number: 268

    TD

    UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972
    Name: John Lindsay
    Medal or Award: RN Long Service and Good conduct Medal
    Service Year: 1935-1940
    Ship Name: Royal Sovereign
     
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  4. Gunner400

    Gunner400 Active Member

    35A29FB0-3B3B-4A04-941F-53ECA06E240A.png 35A29FB0-3B3B-4A04-941F-53ECA06E240A.png F56014DE-738B-47E1-94E7-94B6D569DC54.jpeg Tricky Dicky that’s the gent from Hull. where will I find his navel rolls please?
     
  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    The first thing is to find out if he was Royal Navy or Merchant Navy - its not definitive but

    WWII Royal Navy group of six medals to John Edward Boden in box of issue. • £160.55
    This is a Royal Navy group, identified as such not just because of the likely combination of campaign star, but the rear of the box, though damaged, does include the correctly placed letter to indicate the return address: Director of Navy Accounts, BRANCH 3B “D” BLOCK, Foxhill Hutments, BATH, Somerset.

    I am hoping that some of our naval experts will help out here - might be worth an edit to the thread title to add in Probably Naval Medals or something like that to attract the Naval side

    TD
     
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    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

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  7. Gunner400

    Gunner400 Active Member

    TD again thank you It is appreciated giving your time, I’m not great with WW2
    1) Where will I find the Medal Awards Rolls please?
    2) what was he Gazetted for do you know?

    Gunner
     
  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I have tried to find him on Ancestry but cant - medal rolls, hmm - your best bet is to apply for his service records if you believe that this is the right man as they will tell you what medals he was awarded, along with the other pertinent details - it may include if it is the same man who received the MID as the London Gazette records



    TD
     
  9. Billy McGee

    Billy McGee Senior Member

    Medals to Merchant Seamen were issued by the Registrar General of Shipping & Seamen in Cardiff, so I would hazard a guess if they were MN issue the return address would be Cardiff.
     
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  10. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    In the edge of the box should be his naval number

    the records still held by mod and will cost £30 to get released

    you can write to mod medal office and they will confirm his medals
     
  11. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    1939 Register - is this him, 12 Wilberforce Street, Wallsend? Birth is same day and month as #3 by Tricky, but year 1919, interesting.
    Lindsay.jpg

    John Edward Lindsay's probate record in 1993 has same address as medal box.
     
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  12. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Hull Daily Mail, Tuesday, June3, 1947
    Lindsay2.jpg
     
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  13. Gunner400

    Gunner400 Active Member

    Thanks everybody for all your help
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    The 1939 Register is slightly short in his service number as well as incorrect on his year of birth


    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: John E Lindsay
    Registration Date: Jan 1943
    [Feb 1943]
    [Mar 1943]
    Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Registration District: Hull
    Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
    Spouse: Sylvia M Yorke
    Volume Number: 9d
    Page Number: 352

    The daughter mentioned in the paper
    Name: Vivienne I Lindsay
    Registration Date: Apr 1947
    [May 1947]
    [Jun 1947]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration District: Hull
    Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
    Mother's Maiden Name: Yorke
    Volume Number: 2a
    Page Number: 502

    The son born later
    Name: David J Lindsay
    Registration Date: Oct 1948
    [Nov 1948]
    [Dec 1948]
    Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration District: Hull
    Inferred County: East Riding of Yorkshire
    Mother's Maiden Name: Yorke
    Volume Number: 2a
    Page Number: 324

    TD
     
  15. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    I think he is missing some medals
    He was serving 1939 and was mid in 1942

    so if home service only missing a defence medal but suspect he is missing campaign stars

    send a copy of his death certificate to the medal office and they will tell you what was issued and when this service is free

    his service records will cost £30 and you will get his records and medal card
     
  16. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    For info regarding gazetted mention:-

    Operation Pedestal (Malta)

    HMS ITHURIEL

    Evans John Philip Olgivie Lieutenant RNVR DSC
    Gray Andrew Ty/Sub Lieutenant RNVR DSC
    Lawrence Sidney James Ordinary Seaman P/JX 321486 DSM
    Perkins Donald Able Seaman P/JX 202476 DSM
    Lindsay John Edward Leading Seaman (LTO) P/JX 140620 MID
    Maitland-Makgill-Crichton David Hugh DSC Lieutenant Commander MID
    Saunders Jack Able Seaman P/J 73260 MID

    Operation Pedestal. The Story of Convoy WS21S in August 1942

    Kyle
     
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  17. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    Missing an Africa star at least

    how thick is the box as that would indicate how many medals were originally in it
     
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  18. Gunner400

    Gunner400 Active Member

    James will let you know when I receive it as it’s in Royal Mails hands.
    Can anybody see pages 4881 or 4880 of the London Gazette for that day (above) please to show what he received (MID)
    Mr Jinks did he gain his MID on this ship with the other gents?

    thank you everyone
     
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    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

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  20. Gunner400

    Gunner400 Active Member

    Hi the above does look like the same chap and defo from a hull as it states on the front of Medal box.
    Only thing is it says on the side in very faint writing MX8039 and think the last two numbers are 22 but could be 02.
    MX 803922. ?
    MX 803902 ?
     

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