Help!!! 1920 German envelope

Discussion in 'Prewar' started by SilverJosh, Feb 15, 2024.

  1. SilverJosh

    SilverJosh Member

    I need help translating what is written. I just bought this on the slim chance it is actually real. The fact this is dated 1920 and has those odd swastika stickers on it could make it very rare. If it is real there is a good chance the sender or recipient could be a historically significant person considering the party definitely had less than 200 members at the time. I have reached out to several experts with no response at all. I don't know if this is a good or bad sign. Any comments on its authenticity is much appreciated as well. Thanks to everyone in advance.
     

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  2. Tolbooth

    Tolbooth Well-Known Member

    A blue swastika makes you think of the Finnish Air force. They used it from about 1918 till quite recently.

    Dunno if that helps - no Finnish postmarks or address
     
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  3. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    If you have access to a Smartphone you could scan it and use Google Translate.
     
  4. SilverJosh

    SilverJosh Member

    Yes! Every little detail helps. When I first started collecting German WW2 items it truly blew my mind how little information/history you can find through online researches on German items and what not. So any knowledge given is much appreciated. I wonder if there were any Finnish guys in the DAP or NSDAP that early on. That could help identify who sent it as if there was there probably wasn't many at all.
     
  5. SilverJosh

    SilverJosh Member

    I did and I tried a kurrent translate on a website. I assume the writing is too sloppy for software. It's going to take a human very familiar with German handwriting from this period.
     
  6. Aixman

    Aixman War Establishment addict Patron

    Not really too familiar with this writing.
    It is an address.
    "Herrn Heinrich Lauck
    Solingen
    Handelskammer" (chamber of commerce)

    Sütterlin - Wikipedia
     
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  7. SilverJosh

    SilverJosh Member

    Thank you sooooooo much! In my previous attempt to translate "Herrn" was the only word I could confidently translate. Now if I can just find records of Mr. Lauck being either a DAP or NSDAP member I'll be one step closer to authenticity. I might actually have a real 1920 political piece. The bad thing is I have only ever come across partial party member list from that early on and trying to piece partials together shows discrepancies between list.
     
  8. SilverJosh

    SilverJosh Member

    Everything has checked out. A man with that name lived in that city during the 20s and the chamber of commerce existed at that time. Now I need to confirm his NSDAP or DAP membership. Any advice on how to go about this? I sent an email to a man I suspect is related as they have the same first and last name and he lives in Solingen. I made sure to crop out the swastika and only ask for information on him in the hopes of not scaring the guy away and him voluntarily telling me his ancestor was a party member. He hasn't emailed me back nor do I think he will. Has anyone ever had luck contacting living relatives of party members? How do yall think I should go about this? I don't think it's a good idea to reach out to Germans blatantly asking about party memberships, but I'm also new at this.
     
  9. SilverJosh

    SilverJosh Member

    Does anyone know of a list available to the public of DAP and or NSDAP members?
     
  10. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Germany and Germans have a very different attitude to data protection, a legacy of WW2. So, no reply can be expected.
     
  11. SilverJosh

    SilverJosh Member

    Ugh. I feel like it is literally impossible to verify his party membership . I'm just so sure this is a very early piece of NSDAP history.
     
  12. SilverJosh

    SilverJosh Member

    I assume this is also the reason I can't find a party membership list ANYWHERE
     

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