Does anyone know which Canadian units where stationed near Langsett ?

Discussion in 'Canadian' started by Robert Wimpenny, Feb 17, 2021.

  1. Robert Wimpenny

    Robert Wimpenny Active Member

    I have only just found out that Canadian units where training at Langsett, Yorkshire, prior to D-Day landings, i am particulary Intersested in researching any (Scottish) Canadian units there at the time for a possible family connection. have been unable to find anything at all apart from information i found on Langsett & Midhope at war, which gives no unit details, just mentions Canadians training there, but an interview with a local remembers them marching led by a Pipe band.
     
  2. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    I’m not sure if your meaning Canadian Scottish Units that landed ON D-Day....or ‘all” Canadian Scottish units (after D Day etc)

    On D Day, the following Canadian “Scottish” units landed:

    3rd Canadian Infantry Division HQ's:
    No. 3 Defence and Employment Platoon (Lorne Scots)
    Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa (MG)

    7th Canadian Infantry Brigade HQ's:
    7th CIB Ground Defence Platoon (Lorne Scots)
    1st Battalion, Canadian Scottish Regiment

    8th Canadian Infantry Brigade HQ's:
    8th CIB Ground Defence Platoon (Lorne Scots)

    9th Canadian Infantry Brigade HQ's:
    Highland Light Infantry of Canada
    Stormont, Dundas, and Glengarry Highlanders
    North Nova Scotia Highlanders

    You would have to get the War Dairies of each of these units and go thru them to determine if ANY trained in that area prior to D Day
     
  3. Robert Wimpenny

    Robert Wimpenny Active Member

    Information greatly appreciated - a starting point for me to look further, the person in question (i think) was born in Alberta, Canada with one or both parents being Scottish. trying to link him to Langsett.
     
  4. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    A “Scottish” Regiment in Alberta that landed in July 1944 were the Calgary Highlander’s......if your looking for a specific person, they were part of the 2nd Cdn Infantry Division

    Other Scottish units in that Division were:

    2nd Canadian Infantry Division, 1944
    4th Canadian Infantry Brigade

    The Essex Scottish Regiment
    4th Infantry Brigade Ground Defence Platoon (Lorne Scots)
    5th Canadian Infantry Brigade
    The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada
    The Calgary Highlanders
    5th Infantry Brigade Ground Defence Platoon (Lorne Scots)
    6th Canadian Infantry Brigade
    The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders of Canada
    6th Infantry Brigade Ground Defence Platoon (Lorne Scots)
    Support units
    The Toronto Scottish Regiment (machine gun)

    Lot’s of Units to investigate......It would be better if you KNEW his unit, then a lot less research.

    This person did not die during the war did he?? If he did, his military records are on line (for free) on Ancestry
     
  5. Quarterfinal

    Quarterfinal Active Member

    Hi,
    You might also have a look at Lord Strathcona’s Horse, in its variety of forms, given the training area’s association with armoured forces/tank ranges. I know they were in Italy through 1944, rather than Normandy, but they could be another fit?
     
  6. Robert Wimpenny

    Robert Wimpenny Active Member

    Ok so "cards on the table" the person i am looking for is potentialy a father for a family member, the family member is from the general area of Langsett / Penistone, a Ancestry DNA test done in December shows over 60% Scottish / Canadian match. none of the rest of family who did the test show any Scottish Canadian links.
    The matches show a strong link to Alberta, Canada, but the match does not have a family tree, the surname that seems to match is Fleming.
     
  7. Robert Wimpenny

    Robert Wimpenny Active Member

    Thanks, the reply i made to Temujin hopefully gives a full explanation to my search
     
  8. Robert Wimpenny

    Robert Wimpenny Active Member

    Quite a lot of info on Lord Stratconas horse, i will have a read as location fits well with my search, thanks
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Honesty is the best policy and moving on from there is it possible to see the 'persons' birth certificate ?

    You also need to understand that researching genealogy is a specialised field compared to the rest of the UK, Scotland tends to keep its records to itself, not that I'm against anything Scottish - just saying

    TD

    Have you considered contacting local historical societies? Articles | Langsett & Midhope at War

    Langsett - The Penistone Archive
    Langsett in World War II
    Members of the Dambuster Squadron used the reservoirs for bombing practice. Steel towers and chains were erected above the reservoirs, together with a smoke screen installation. Guns were brought in, managed by 5,000 troops. The moors were also used to practice for the D Day landings. Tanks were unloaded via a special ramp at Penistone railway station and taken to Langsett moor. Heavy concrete pads can still be seen on the Tank Track at Midhope. Bridges were reinforced. Tanks could fire across the reservoirs as the whole moorland was taken over by the army. Many of the tanks were American. Many remains of armament, live and used have been found since on the moors. [refer to a new book by John Ownsworth on World War II and the Langsett area].
     
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  10. Robert Wimpenny

    Robert Wimpenny Active Member

    The contact page hasent been in use since 2015 but i have e-mailed them - hoping for a reply, thanks
     
  11. Robert Wimpenny

    Robert Wimpenny Active Member

    Yes have attempted contact with the local groups, the birth certificate is blank regarding father we just know what we have had passed down,
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    OK so the reason for asking about the birth certificate was to find out the date of birth and where. The DoB would narrow down quite considerably the window into which people need to see what Regiments were there during that period, I am guessing here, not being a specialist consultant, that go back 9 months from the date of birth and plus or minus a couple of weeks would be that window

    TD
     
  13. MarkN

    MarkN Well-Known Member

    Good place to start.

    But let's not forget it's not impossible for a unit training their earlier to have thrown up a romance strong enough for the culprit to have popped up for a couple of days to see his sweetheart too.
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    You old romantic :rolleyes:

    TD
     
  15. MarkN

    MarkN Well-Known Member

    It would appear that nobody here has the answer to your question readily available. Which is hardly a surprise.

    A large proportion of the Canadian war diaries are available to read online without charge. In the absence of anybody having the answers you seek to hand, perhaps your best route is to start going through the diaries yourself to find the answer.
     
  16. MarkN

    MarkN Well-Known Member

    :)

    Well, l thought it a bit unfair to assume that all those wonderful Canadian volunteers were capable of was a one night stand.

    :D

    I also think it might be wise for the enquirer to broaden his search from just those Canadian Army units with official Scottish affiliations. I mean, Canadians with Scottish ancestory could be found in any Canadian unit. Moreover, what about the Canadian Air Force or even an individual volunteer in the RAF?
     
  17. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Ohhhh - I like it when you broaden your search - you are awful


    Seriously - needle in haystack comes to mind but lets see, one step at a time

    TD
     
  18. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    The Calgary Highlanders were based in southern England at Bognor Regis, Fittleworth and Brighton during 1943-44. In general, the Canadian divisions were based in southern England.
     
  19. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Robert

    As you had the DNA results have you done whatever needs to be done (I havent been down this route but there must be one) to upload that DNA against the DNA results in Ancestry and/or other genealogy sites that have the possibility of comparing DNA results, and the possibility of finding a family tree with similarities

    It seems a logical route to take as it could produce an answer without all the searching in haystacks

    TD
     
  20. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

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