Can anyone decipher this pay & victual record

Hi

We just got these through for my grandad. We thought he served on HMS peacock but evidently not, the picture we had of this ship looks like it may have been a red herring in the Research. However He did serve in Trieste as we had assumed.

Can anyone decipher them in full please?
Was any of his ships in the Atlantic/artic?
What medals would he have received going by his records (I’m thinking Italy star also?)

we’re especially trying to work out if he served in the artic convoys and subsequently if my dad can request his artic star for him, posthumously of course.

hopefully the picture is good enough for you guys to see

 

Need to make an edit sorry.
We got an awards page Separately that my dad just sent e.

1939-1945
Italy star
War medal

just need to know about the artic star on the medal front.



On looking at the docs I can’t see a naval occupation either. Hard to work anything out.


I’ve been googling all the hms names on the p&v, I can’t seem to come up with much from any of them. if anyone can help on that front also. Hms Fabius seems to be the main one but there’s not much info on the net

 

Hello and welcome,
Bear in mind that this is not his Pay and Victualing Ledger but a transcription made of it and therefore mistakes and omissions are possible.
The medal card looks about right and no service in the Arctic area.
His war service appears to have been HMS FABIUS [Naval base, Taranto Italy] He served mainly with Naval Party Oboe.
You may wish to obtain this file from Kew: ADM 199/2433
Regards
Hugh

 

Thanks hugh

can you possibly clarify A few things if you can please.

my dad is positive he served on a ship of some sort, what else would Naval personnel do in Trieste if not on a ship?

I’m also assuming he spent time in Malta but again no ship is noted here either.

could you also maybe clarify the note about Austria lent & what this could’ve been for


Thanks pal

 

Hi MCLiney,
Normally on a Naval service record the bracketed word is usually the name of the sea-going ship. Clearly Trieste is not the name of a British warship but rather the city in Italy. I am not sure why it is indicated the way it is on the record unless of course it refers to Port Party Oboe which was involved at Trieste and also Malta.
Lent Austria [sic] - clearly that has been copied as written on the record as indicated by [sic] and that doesn't mean anything to me in Naval terms unless it is a typo. Normally a seaman would be Lent to a ship.
It looks like he had some involment with the RN Beach Commando - http://relaysystem.co.uk/O_RN_Commando.pdf

Regards
Hugh

 

Thanks again for your input Hugh.

Getting these records has only really given more questions than answers. Lol

although I think it has put to bed the artic star question That we had.

I thought they would show a ship that he spent the majority of his time on but they are quite vague

I’ll try the national archives when they reopen

Thanks

 

Write to the medal office

they will review his records and will tell you

regards

james

 

Here is excerpt about naval party oboe

 

We got this also.
I’ve omitted his personal details.
Does this help anyone?

The coal carrier trade is in relation to the Job he had as a lad b4 joining the navy at 17. And not his naval occupation.

 

2nd page

 

That is his service record you have and his naval rating is given as acting able seaman. It is not a great copy but there appears to be no sub spec [his job within the seaman branch] mentioned on the record.
Regards
Hugh

 

Thanks Hugh

I couldn’t see much on it myself

What are the likely roles for someone like Him, a 17 yr old rushed (I suppose would be the right word) out to sea to help the war effort?

 

Did he join the TA post war 5/6 Highland light infantry?

 

I see what u mean on the footnote of the last page. It would Certainly make sense as he lived near the Maryhill barracks in Glasgow most of his life which I’m sure is where the HLI would have been based. There is still the remnants of what is now the army Reserves in the area.

I’ll ask my dad and get back to you

 

Hi James

yes, my dad said he was in the HLI TA, he can remember him wearing an army uniform at times. I didn’t Realise the navy could demob you to the reserves of another service?

 

He was demobbed and then joined the hli in 1960 ish

 

I think you need to find out a bit more about Naval Party Oboe to find out what he was involved in - landing craft duties?
"Oboe Port Party *Malta 07.44- ……* Malta 10.44-02.45/Manfredonia, Italy 03.-05.45/Trieste 06.07.45/ not listed 08.45"

Regards
Hugh

 

If he was rated ord seaman he must be 18 and able seaman he must be 19

anything below 18 was classed as boy.

and 18/19 was the norm for ww2 war service

he joined Ganges in 1943 as ord seaman

Ganges pre war was a boy training establishment during ww2 it trained adult hostility only ratings

regards

James

 

Naval party oboe landed at Elba 17th June 1944

they lost 1/3 of their number in the attack and the later mine explosion

regards

james

 

hi James

I’ve just rechecked his DOB, you are correct, he was born Oct 1925, so he was 18 on attestation right enough.