12th Bn. KRRC in 1944

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  1. Little Black Devil

    Little Black Devil Active Member

    Hello,
    I am currently working on a book about the 8th Armoured Brigade. I got some trouble getting the exact TO & E of a Motor Battalion like the 12th KRRC.
    I mean I have the TO&E from the War Diary but I can't find out how Platoons are numbered as it is quite different from an regular infantry Battalion.
    Would you have any information about it?
    Thanks
    Fred

    Commanding Officer : Lieutenant-Colonel
    Second-in-command : Major
    Adjutant : Captain
    Intelligence Officer : Lieutenant
    Signal Officer : Captain
    Quartermaster : Captain
    Mechanical Transport Officer : Lieutenant
    Technical Adjutant : Captain
    Medical Officer : Captain

    A Company :

    Commanding Officer : Major
    Second-in-command : Captain
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Scout Platoon Commander : Lieutenant

    B Company :

    Commanding Officer : Major
    Second-in-command : Captain
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Scout Platoon Commander : Lieutenant

    C Company :

    Commanding Officer : Major
    Second-in-command : Captain
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Motorized Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Scout Platoon Commander : Lieutenant

    Anti-Tank Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
    Anti-Tank Platoon Commander : Lieutenant
     
  2. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    Slight difference as to whether you want the War Establishment (rather than T/O&E, which was an exclusively US term, so won't appear in contemporary descriptions) or the 'order of battle' or OOB. The latter tends to be used for formations much higher up the food chain, such as Corps and Armies. It probably fits more to your above layout though as identifying subunits rather than detailed unit and subunit organization.

    For WE you have Mike's section here, search under Trux. Also the website of an old collecting cohort of mine, which has the June 1943 WE transcribed in its original format.

    http://www.warestablishments.net/Great Britain/Infantry/Motor Battalion June 1943.pdf

    This was superseded by a Feb 1944 version that was effectively identical save for a few vehicle changes. Note neither version lists halftracks as the Motor Platoons mounts.

    For letter and number identifications, it generally proceeded from HQ Company down. I noticed that 8RB kept their Pl numbers largely as would be expected under the previous WE, which was;

    Bn HQ
    HQ Coy; Coy HQ, (No.1) Sig Pl, (No.2) Admin Pl
    A Coy; Coy HQ, (Nos.3-5) three Mot Pls, (No.6) Scout Pl
    B Coy; same (Nos.7-9) + (No.10)
    C Coy; same (Nos.11-13) + (No.14)
    D Coy; same (Nos.15-17) + (No.18)

    8RB went with E to H for their Mot Coys on the early war layout I think, and E Coy became Support Coy when such was formed. They kept the Pl numbers across all the Coys and added No.19 to Sp Coy to account for it now having five Pls. If you've got the war diary for 12KRRC there should be some reference in there to Platoon numbers that will likely explain their particular system.

    Just to note you haven't got Support Coy listed above, which would have been three Atk Pls and two MMG Pls.

    Gary
     
  3. Little Black Devil

    Little Black Devil Active Member

    Thanks for your answer Gary.
    The only information regarding the platoon numbers are : Platoon N°14 is one out of two A/T Platoons.
    The structure I copied on my first post is the one given in the 12th KRRC WD's dated June 1944.
    Fred
     
  4. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    Interesting. Re the Atk Pls, they may have decided to handle their 12 allotted 6-prs as two Pls of 6 guns each, rather than the authorised three Pls of 4 guns apiece. Is there any mention of Vickers MMGs in the WD? Might shed some light on what they did with them.

    Re Platoon numbering, there's a reference here to 11 Platoon being a part of C Company;

    http://counties.britishlegion.org.uk/media/67663/Sandbag Sep 2012.pdf

    Now this is pure conjecture on my part, but if the Bn numbered its Pls starting from A Coy (rather than HQ Coy) and only had two Pls in Sp Coy, the last of these being No.14 Pl, that might be their system. How do they refer to the Pls in the WD if not by numbers, is it by the officer's name?

    Gary
     

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