X lists (Service Records)

This should be better

 

Thanks mate, think I looked at that possibility in the middle of tearing my hair out!! No def Cyr The Canadian Mounted Rifles were disbanded in the early 1900's I think

 

Trying to move on a bit as the answers might emerge.

July 43
Admitted to 15 General Hospital.
Admitted ICCDr ??

Disembarked ICCDr ??

The Hospital does not match up with British 15 General Hospital on the Scarlet Finders site
Hospitals WW2 - Scarlet Finders

but found this:

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/t.../official/book-1956-medical-services-1-en.pdf
Page 115

Canadian
Military abbreviations used in service files

Fortunately I had my hair cut yesterday - not much to tear out.

Will take another look later to see how its going.

 

Hello Richard,

Looking at the lines mentioning “15 Gen Hosp” could the first letter of the unit be a ‘G’ followed by an ‘R’? If X4 is ‘Unposted Reinforcements’ could GR mean General Reinforcements? He was Taken on Strength from 4 Canadian Infantry Reinforcement Unit to this mystery unit.



The only problem with this theory is that the loop of the ‘G’ in ‘Gen Hosp’ does not extend below the line.

1 CCD is possibly 1 Canadian Convalescent Depot.

Richard

 

Sorry guys I should have put down a bit more of what I know,
My father was with the QOR and had an accident of some kind, Picked up by 23rd Canadian Field Ambulance and taken to 1 Canadian Gen Hospital at Horsham on the same day, he went from there to Brixham in Devon to 1 Convalescence Hospital and then back to 4CIRU at Aldershot. I believe he knew the 48th Highlanders would be involved in Operation Husky followed by Op Avalanche and hanging about with 4CIRU would see him back with QOR who at that time were on coastal defence and probably would be part of Op Overlord which at that time there was no date on the rumour circuit but certainly at least a year before the QOR would go into action. The CIRU for the 48th Highlanders were pretty much co-located with No4 in Aldershot so he took the opportunity to go to Algeria (Philippeville) with 1 Canadian Base Reinforcement Depot. This CyR abbreviation has me stumped for sure? But what I do know is that he was taken to No15 Canadian General Hospital at El Arrouch ( who eventually went to the UK once another Hosp was located in Italy) just a few clicks South of Philippeville and from there to X4 and then this X4 4Bn comes up, unless its a designated for 48th Highlanders title I have no idea. I know he was Court Martialled, he had a little history of being a good soldier but a bit naughty. This is backed up by his Canadian Police record (28 years) of going off on one now and again. I sympathise as I did the same and still made Warrant Officer in a front line unit! To be honest this bit of what happened in North Africa/Italy is holding up my books completion but I can come back to it if I have to,
Richard
Celer et Audax

 

CYR was Carlton and York Regt, an Infantry Bn of 3 Cdn Bde

It appears he was only on their x4 (reinforcement) list, so administratively 'tabbed' to go to them if needed, but never actually on their strength.

I'm not sure if I'm also seeing CYR x3 (hospital) list in there, that would confuse things. I think you could only go to the x3 list from the unit itself (ie. can't move from x4 to x3 directly). Possible the CBRG or related Reinf unit he was officially on the strength of didn't have it's own x3 list but I'm not sure that's how it was done. Are there other documents in his file that cover the same period? There were multiple copies of some forms maintained, hopefully you can find some from another clerk with better handwriting.

Reinforcement units/processes are confusing, but broadly a CIRU would set up a forward Group/Base/Depot and this would be organized in numbered Battalions. 1 Cdn Base Reinf Group was in Italy and had 8 Bns, possibly #1-8 based on the numbering of the NW Europe Bns typically seen in records. A bit more here:
Help with Canadian Service Records

 

Well done Kevin.
Here’s a page from Canada.ca:


Source: Organization of the Canadian Reinforcement Units (United Kingdom): Historical Outline, 1940 - 45.

If shows the Carlton and York Regiment as part of 4 CIRU as of 20 March 1944.

 

Thanks for that, I think a lot of the issues were generated by clerks and poor writing skills. The abbreviation for Carleton York Regt should presumably been in Capitals CYR but the Y was a small y ? I am certain that he did not actually serve with them though. Oddly his rank remained as a Rfn (Rifleman) right up to TOS First Special Service Force. Rfn is unique to Rifle regiments, my regiment included! And we spelled Serjeant with a J too, I think they still do with the part of The Rifles today that was originally my lot! Celer et Audax
Thanks for y

 

I had transcribed a number of RRR documents using Serjeant/Sjt as in the originals and a retired post-war officer of the unit told me that was wrong, should use a 'g'. Apparently not all Rifles units maintained this tradition.

 

Itb

You are absolutely right, it was not a general rule with Rifle Regiments it was more based on tradition. Many thanks