X lists (Service Records)

Great info there.
My grandad has several references to the Y list on his records in 1942, but I can’t work out how or why he may of been hospitalised, he was medically examined and placed in a category B7, I would like to find out what this means?

 

Previous WW2t thread:

Medical Board category

 

I understand that XList (iv) is unposted reinforcements and incoming reinforcement drafts but this Tracer Card has the following entry

Does anybody know what the "H" might stand for? It seems to be an allocation betwewen the two dates. "Home"? It cant be Hospital as that would be XList (ii)
Thanks
Ian

 

Hi,

Could you attach the full tracer card image please so members can see the context.

Steve

 

Thanks

 

Thanks for attaching the Tracer Card.

I’d agree H in this context may mean Home however it might equally be shorthand for “Holding (Unit)”. As ever there will be more precise detail in the service record.

Steve

 

Could some kind person help me with my father's casualty record?

As the attached extra shows, he was wounded 21 October 1944, assigned X(ii), Struck off Service and evacuated to a hospital in the UK 3 days later. Can anyone help with the following, please?

• 3rd line, assuming they not some service reference: Authority? WOL. 45/GEN/6949 (AGID)
• 4th line para 6? (d) d/f? 14 Apr(ril) xx
  
• 5th line: c?/341/44 RERO (Royal Engineers Recruiting Office) Posted to Y list 24 Oct 1944. So, as per above posts means that subsequently he was in hospital for more than 21 days, which following a change in the rule made by Montgomery, and thereafter when he became fit for duty he was entitled to seven days home leave and then would return to his own unit, if he wished, or to another unit
• 6th line P.T.O. 81/45 HRDB. Posted to H(R) DPSn??
• d-5-6-45 Demobbed? 5 Jun 45?

On 5 Jun 45, the next page shows he was TOS (Taken on Strength) and 5 days later posted to another field company, and 3 weeks later to yet another field company - all in the UK. Then 17 October 1945 released to Class "A" and posted to Y list.

In anticipation, many thanks

John Owens

 

Could some kind person help me with my father's casualty record?

As the attached extra shows, he was wounded 21 October 1944, assigned X(ii), Struck off Service and evacuated to a hospital in the UK 3 days later. Can anyone help with the following, please?

• 3rd line, assuming they not some service reference: Authority? WOL. 45/GEN/6949 (AGID)
• 4th line para 6? (d) d/f? 14 Apr(ril) xx
  
• 5th line: c?/341/44 RERO (Royal Engineers Recruiting Office) Posted to Y list 24 Oct 1944. So, as per above posts means that subsequently he was in hospital for more than 21 days, which following a change in the rule made by Montgomery, and thereafter when he became fit for duty he was entitled to seven days home leave and then would return to his own unit, if he wished, or to another unit
• 6th line P.T.O. 81/45 HRDB. Posted to H(R) DPSn??
• d-5-6-45 Demobbed? 5 Jun 45?

On 5 Jun 45, the next page shows he was TOS (Taken on Strength) and 5 days later posted to another field company, and 3 weeks later to yet another field company - all in the UK. Then 17 October 1945 released to Class "A" and posted to Y list.

In anticipation, many thanks

John Owens

 

Hi,

I’ve inserted my response to the bullet point queries you raise within the attached quoted post above -

Hope it helps. Most of it is Army clerks shorthand. The records referrred will have been destroyed/pulped long ago

Steve

 

That's great, Steve. Many thanks.

So, RE Record Office, not Recruiting Office. Any idea, please, where the RERO was located in the UK in 1944?

Just one more: what is "17 October 1945 released to Class "A"?

Many thanks

John

 

Hi,

RERO was in Ditchling Road, Brighton, Sussex.

Post war demobilisation was effected in 2 ways -

1. Class A - Men demobbed in strict Age & Service length order. There was a formula splitting personnel in to Age & Service Groups

2. Class B - ignored A&S groups and applied to men with a skill useful to the post war reconstruction of the country. The discharge of these men would be approved by Ministry of Labour and effected speedily. Large group of candidates - skilled building trade & industrial workers etc. Teachers, Police officers etc. As far as I understand it men had to apply for Class B discharge

Vast majority of personnel demobbed under Class A rules.

Steve

 

John

A slight correction to Tullybrone reply above - 4 (R) DBn = No 4 (Receiving) Depot Battalion which was one of the RE holding units prior to being posted to another unit.

"17 October 1945 released to Class "A" = this is the date that the Army decided that his service was over and could be discharged.

Steve W

ETA - Tullybrone explains the different release classes above far better than I.

 

Many thanks, Steve (and Tullybrone)

Once again, most helpful

Best
John

 

I know that xiv means unposted reinforcement but can anyone tell me what it means when there's an 'a' after it please? xiva.

 

How do you go about getting the service record?
Thanks!

 

Sorry, I should have searched first. I found what I needed.

 

Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

Here is the link to use for service record requests -

Get a copy of military records of service

Steve

 

Hi, New to the site. I am currently writing a book about my Canadian Father (long and complicated story) It does have a fair bit to do with military in WW2 He served in 3 different units started off with the Queens Own Rifles, then the 48th Highlanders and lastly the First Special Service Force !! I am ex military (25 years service) and I am always wary of these claims but his service record and my communication with all three veterans groups bear it out. I have his service record and it is hard to read, I believe that the clerks that did the work on these went to the same school that doctors do when writing prescriptions!! Anyway. I have a string of entries That have 'Cyr' (Icannot find this in any list of abbreviations), 'X4' (which I understand but mentions 4Bn? and 3Bn? which I don't understand ) The 48th Highlanders had no 4th Bn but did have a 3rd but not formed until 1945 and never left Canada anyway. The only conclusion I can come to was that the Reinforcement units may have been formed into Battalions depending on where the person was designated for? I have access to the War Diaries for a lot of what I am researching but not the Part1 or Part2 Orders bit. Attached is a section of his service record. He actually went back to the 48th Highlanders when the FSSF, or Devils Brigade as they were commonly known as, were disbanded in France as the war was ending!

Many Thanks
Richard
Celer et Audax

 

Not sure if these are X List references, its better to post the sheet to at least show the column titles.
There might be differences with Canadian and British Service Records .

There are several versions of X List explanations here is one that I currently use.

You might get a few more as the weekend progresses.

Maybe even get a Canadian reply familiar with their X List.

 

Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

Could your CYR possibly be CMR?

Canadian Mounted Rifles?

Steve