Wondering who this German officer is.

Discussion in '1940' started by Owen, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Have this photo on a disc that MLW sent me of NARA images .
    This one taken at St-Valery-en-Caux.
    I'm wondering who the chap on the right is with the Condor Legion badge on his pocket.
    Anyone know who he is & as I'm useless at German awards , what are the other medal ribbons for ?
    There's a couple more pics of him on the disc if that'll help ID him.
     

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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Had a Google around & wondered if it this bloke ?
    Hans-JoachimSchraepler
    Was Rommel's ADC in North Africa, a book out a few years ago of his letters home.
    Did Schraepler serve in Spain ?
    (Just read that Schraelper got run over by Rommel's Mammoth)

    edit: seen a better pic of Schraelper & dont think it's him.
    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vr9hXnffL._SL500_SS500_.jpg
     
  3. Gooseman

    Gooseman Senior Member

    I think this may well be Joachim Ziegler. He was 1c (intelligence officer) in the Staff of 7th Panzerdivision. He later made the switch to the SS, which was quite unusual for General Staff officers. He would eventually become SS-General.
     
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  4. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Is that Rommel he is standing opposite in the first photograph?

    Regards
    Tom
     
  5. Bond

    Bond Senior Member

    Is that Rommel he is standing opposite in the first photograph?

    Regards
    Tom

    Yes it is Rommel, note the Pour Le Merite.

    Medal ribbons are Iron cross 2nd class, two long service awards with mini eagles, The Sudetenland medal with Prague bar, can't make out the last one

    I don't know who the main picture is of.
     
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  6. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Jerry,

    Thanks for confirming it is Rommel, I thought it looked like him, especially wearing the Pour Le Merite.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Cheers for the input chaps.
    Just comparing pics with Ziegler & what medals he'd have in June '40.
    Thanks.
     
  8. RemeDesertRat

    RemeDesertRat Very Senior Member

    Looks very much like Hans-Joachim Schraepler, even same height comparing to Rommel, but can't find any mention of him being Condor Legion nor find any pics taken from the left to show the Condor badge.
     
  9. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    A check of Wiki shows that Hans-Joachim Schraepler wrote a book "AT ROMMEL'S SIDE: The Lost Letters of Hans-Joachim Schraepler"

    The book cover is on Amazon and it does look like a match going off the height etc


    Does anyone actually have the book??


    Edit - the cover of the French edition looks clearer, is it wishful thinking on my part that there is something on his left pocket??

    Mon père, l'aide de camp du général Rommel: Amazon.fr: Hans-Albrecht Schraepler: Livres


    (I've got no clue who he is otherwise.....)
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Pictures of Ziegler from the internet here for comparasion.

    sorry if I've inadvertantly linked to anywhere dodgey.
    I'm more interested in IDing the chap that reading what someone may have written on their website.

    World War 2 Awards.com - ZIEGLER, Joachim
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    Decorations seem correct, though chap in pic in post #1 has no Spanish Cross but a different award for Spain.

    I'm spending alot of time looking at other web pictures of his nose.


    Krukenberg, Gustav
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    Joachim Ziegler.


    11thÂXSS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nordland


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    http://www.smb.nu/nordland/?art_id=3

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    Joachim Ziegler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Axis History Forum • Photo Request, Joachim Ziegler

    https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDYVJBecs5NCOYn-cT3g1URc60bSt49Asv3OWmnlF4Nh19Y2-r


    NAZI JERMAN: Album Foto Upacara Penyerahan Medali dan Promosi Waffen-SS

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  11. Bond

    Bond Senior Member

    Jerry,

    Thanks for confirming it is Rommel, I thought it looked like him, especially wearing the Pour Le Merite.

    Regards
    Tom

    Hi Tom,

    always glad to help if I can and I only confirmed your thoughts.
     
  12. Owen

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  13. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    cheers Dave but I linked to that in post #2.
    ;)


    Poo

    (that will teach me to read ALL of the posts thoroughly)


    OK then how about this extract from - Rommel's Lieutenants: The Men Who Served the Desert Fox, France, 1940, Issue 7 by Samuel W. Mitcham


    Rommel accepting the surrender of a French Corps. Left to right: Unknown, a Condor Legion veteran, possibly Captain Schraepler; Georg von Bismarck, Rommel, Heidkaemper, French General Ihler (foreground), a Wehrmacht beamte (warrant officer), a Luftwaffe lieutenant, Hanke, British General Fortune


    I can’t see the image but is it saying that “a Condor Legion veteran, possibly Captain Schraepler;” is one person or two people (note the use of a comma and semi-colon……..)
     
  14. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    DaveB
    Rommel accepting the surrender of a French Corps. Left to right: Unknown, a Condor Legion veteran, possibly Captain Schraepler; Georg von Bismarck, Rommel, Heidkaemper, French General Ihler (foreground), a Wehrmacht beamte (warrant officer), a Luftwaffe lieutenant, Hanke, British General Fortune
    sounds like caption to these pics from NARA.
    added 1 more to show his height

    edited: another pic of him, tall bloke far left of group
    also pic with map.
    added another group shot & close up of his rank.
    I'll look that up later if noone else does.
     

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  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Schraepler profile.jpg

    mysteryman.jpg


    Schraepler's profile from book compared to mysteryman's profile.
    To be honest doesnt look 100% like Ziegler either.
     
  16. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    sounds like caption to these pics from NARA.
    added 1 more to show his height

    edited: another pic of him, tall bloke far left of group
    also pic with map.
    added another group shot & close up of his rank.
    I'll look that up later if noone else does.

    Rank is Major.
     
  17. At Home Dad (Returning)

    At Home Dad (Returning) Well-Known Member

    Have you tried that Bundesarkive site for other images
    of the surrender? It must have been well covered, perhaps
    even with a film camera for wochenschau?

    Is this photo from the same surrender?
    St. Valery, June 1940 | 51st Highland Division
     
  18. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  19. At Home Dad (Returning)

    At Home Dad (Returning) Well-Known Member

  20. RemeDesertRat

    RemeDesertRat Very Senior Member

    A check of Wiki shows that Hans-Joachim Schraepler wrote a book "AT ROMMEL'S SIDE: The Lost Letters of Hans-Joachim Schraepler"

    The book cover is on Amazon and it does look like a match going off the height etc


    Does anyone actually have the book??


    Edit - the cover of the French edition looks clearer, is it wishful thinking on my part that there is something on his left pocket??

    Mon père, l'aide de camp du général Rommel: Amazon.fr: Hans-Albrecht Schraepler: Livres


    (I've got no clue who he is otherwise.....)

    Yeah, got the book, he has an Iron cross on the pocket with "something" below it. Unfortunately he is turning to the left towards Rommel and it's not very clear, give us a mo' and I'll scan it.
     

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