What country's involvment was the most crucial to the Allies' victory?

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What country's involvment was the most crucial to the Allies' victory?

  1. UK

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  2. USSR

    6.1%
  3. USA

    21.2%
  4. China

    33.3%
  5. France

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  6. Joint Effort (UK/USA/USSR)

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  7. Other (Please State)

    39.4%
  1. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    My point about airpower in Vietnam being a failure is that despite the US Carpet Bombing Laos and Cambodia back to the stone Age the halting of the NVA didnt happen. I mean the US air force dropped more bombs on Laos alone than they dropped on Germany and Japan COMBINED in WWII!!!! It works out that an equivalent of a B-52 load of bombs every 8 MINUTES!!!. This was the US Military's attempt to stop the NVA from infiltrating the South. It has been estimated that 80% of the Casualties were Civilians. And Congress knew nothing about it at the time. My point is that air power, whilst a potent tool is not a be all and end all in terms of military solutions. Your point about "No soldier, no matter how brave or well trained, could possibly hold his molecules together when 1000 pound bombs were dropped on his position" I would contend is inaccurate given that the VC werent stopped moving along the Ho Chi Minh Trail. How many more bombs does it take to prove your assertion?????? Course they could have gone Nuclear, then I would probably agree with you :lol:

    By the way, Saying that Russia caused the Vietnam conflict is laughable at best. The Chinese gave Vietnam more help than Russia and dont even try to say that Russia and China are virtually the same because they had communist regimes. Mao and Stalin were completely different characters and both nations shared no love for the other.

    I detect that you have no respect or love for Russia. You seem to think that Communism is on a par with Nazism. Every post you make about the Russians refers to the 1941 Army in which we have countless human waves running willy-nilly at the enemy and this is true to a point. However two things you should ponder: Russia had got its act together by the end of the war and would have been a formidable adversary had the US decided to take Patton's advice (Not his brightest moment BTW). Secondly I'd love to how the US would have fared if it had to face a war for its existence the way Russia did in 1941. Somehow I doubt they would have had the stomach for it to go through a Stalingrad or a Leningrad.
     
  2. marko2te

    marko2te Junior Member

    Russia without doubt. With Russia out of war Germany could focus all of its
    attention to England and Middle East those two would fall easly and US
    would be left without base of operation in Europe and thay would need to make force landing in England which is mission impossible becouse
    they couldnt supply their soldiers from air and submarine superiority
     
  3. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    I detect that you have no respect or love for Russia. You seem to think that Communism is on a par with Nazism.


    Absolutely


    Secondly I'd love to how the US would have fared if it had to face a war for its existence the way Russia did in 1941.
    Somehow I doubt they would have had the stomach for it to go through a Stalingrad or a Leningrad.

    We would have cleaned their clocks and they would glow in the dark.

    Yeah, I had a rough day;)
     
  4. Exxley

    Exxley Senior Member

    I detect that you have no respect or love for Russia.

    Gott, the proper answer is he doesnt know anything about the Eastern Front, and in fact he doesnt really seem to be interested in honestly learning anything about it. Rather stick to some biased point of views.
     
  5. plant-pilot

    plant-pilot Senior Member

    Jimbo's views on the eastern front are I'm affraid prettey in keeping with a nation that gets 90% of it's history from 'Hollywood'. The trouble there is that if America wasn't directly involved in events the film makers, who have to pander to an american box office audience aren't interested, or have to over play any american involvment.

    It may be a generalization, but founded on what I have seen and heard in America and the so called historically accurate films made by Hollywood.

    On a trip to Colditz once my guide explained that a new Hollywood 'Escape from Colditz' to be made on location had just been cancelled, because they wanted to make it a story of a group of american airmen who broke out of the castle. Permission was refused to use the castle because not only had no americans escaped from Stalag IVc, none had even attempted to escape.

    Yet if made that would be what the average american would have taken as 'History'.
     
  6. Max (UK)

    Max (UK) Member

    Permission was refused to use the castle because not only had no americans escaped from Stalag IVc, none had even attempted to escape.


    Thank God for that then. What a joke. The Great Escape is good EXCEPT for the American escapes, which is where it becomes nothing less than pathetic. Stealing planes? Motorcycle stunts? How utterly pathetic.

    A Colditz escape story would have been equally stupid and abusive of history.
     
  7. Run N Gun

    Run N Gun Discharged

    The english always find ways to make us Americans look bad lol.
     
  8. plant-pilot

    plant-pilot Senior Member

    The english always find ways to make us Americans look bad lol.
    Not really any need. For the most part you lot do a very good job of that without anyone's help. ;)
     
  9. Run N Gun

    Run N Gun Discharged

  10. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    Hollywood, What a joke! Send them all to North Korea and they would fit right in. As for communists, there like something I accidently step on during a hot summer day. Please keep them down wind from me at all times.
     

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