Victims of Holocaust

Discussion in 'The Holocaust' started by Paul Reed, Jan 27, 2005.

  1. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    How do you trace them?

    Is it possible? Is there an on-line database of known names?

    I appreciate that many disappeared without trace, and that the Nazis destroyed many records, but I just wonder if there is an on-line resource?

    Members of my wife's family died in the camps, and I think a branch of my own family - French Jews - did as well. They have an usuual surname and there are few with this name in France today.
     
  2. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    I found an answer to this elsewhere on this forum.

    I was amazed at actually finding five people with the name ROZE, which was my grandmother's maiden name. Her father was from France, and I believe born near Paris.

    You can imagine my feelings when I found:

    Full Record Details for Roze Myriam

    Source Le Memorial de la deportation des juifs de france, Beate et Serge Klarsfeld, Paris 1978
    Type of Material list of deportation from France
    Last Name RUZA
    Last Name ROZE
    First Name MYRIAM
    Date of Birth 1927
    Place of Birth PARIS,SEINE - SEINE ET OISE,FRANCE
    Destination of Deportation AUSCHWITZ,CAMP
    Key to Transport Transport 22 from Drancy to Auschwitz on 21/08/1942

    This could easily be a cousin of my grandmother... my long held suspicions have been pretty much confirmed and to say I am moved by this is an understatement.

    What an amazing resource... anyway, I just wanted to share that discovery with you.
     
  3. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    I found an answer to this elsewhere on this forum.

    I was amazed at actually finding five people with the name ROZE, which was my grandmother's maiden name. Her father was from France, and I believe born near Paris.

    You can imagine my feelings when I found:

    Full Record Details for Roze Myriam

    Source Le Memorial de la deportation des juifs de france, Beate et Serge Klarsfeld, Paris 1978
    Type of Material list of deportation from France
    Last Name RUZA
    Last Name ROZE
    First Name MYRIAM
    Date of Birth 1927
    Place of Birth PARIS,SEINE - SEINE ET OISE,FRANCE
    Destination of Deportation AUSCHWITZ,CAMP
    Key to Transport Transport 22 from Drancy to Auschwitz on 21/08/1942

    This could easily be a cousin of my grandmother... my long held suspicions have been pretty much confirmed and to say I am moved by this is an understatement.

    What an amazing resource... anyway, I just wanted to share that discovery with you.

    Hi Paul,

    Just noticed this while looking for something else. My home town (Melbourne) has the largest population of Jews in Australia and the highest concentration of Holocaust survivors anywhere in the world outside Israel.

    Just did search of the local telephone directory and came up with a list:

    Victoria has 7, New South Wales 6 and Queensland 7.

    The Victorian ones are listed below.
    • Roze A
    • 4 Melinga Cr Chadstone 3148
    • (03) 9806 0894
    • Roze D
    • 73 Pitfield Cres Rowville 3178
    • 0433 370 061
    • Roze D
    • 287 Mcgrath Rd Wyndham Vale 3024
    • (03) 9742 6387
    • Roze D J
    • 287 McGrath Rd Wyndham Vale 3024
    • (03) 9742 6065
    • Roze G
    • 73 Pitfield Crs Rowville 3178
    • (03) 9753 3736
    • Roze G J & C
    • 73 Chapple St Wodonga 3690
    • (02) 6024 7604
    • Roze L
    • 12 Bambara St Wantirna 3152
    • 0400 021 211
    • Roze L A
    • 12 Bambara St Wantirna 3152
    • (03) 9801 7535
    • Roze M
    • 51 Crestdale Rd Wantirna 3152
    • (03) 9801 3208
    • Roze V
    • 21 Kinross St Hampton East 3188
    • (03) 9553 0838
     
  4. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Good gracious!! I would have never of thought of looking in Australia!! Will have to follow that up - thanks very much indeed, Geoff.
     
  5. stevew

    stevew Senior Member

    Good gracious!! I would have never of thought of looking in Australia!! Will have to follow that up - thanks very much indeed, Geoff.

    Paul,

    Not his has anything to do with your post:) . But I believe I now have more family in Australia than I do in this country. TBH, I would never have thought of looking in Oz, it was only through links on Genesconnected that I discovered all this.

    Steve
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Just watched this on the BBC Ten O'clock News.

    BBC News Player - Holocaust archive made public

    A huge archive which records atrocities committed by the Nazis has been now been made public.

    I could only get it to play when I clicked,
    "Launch In Stand Alone Player."
     
  7. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    The Nazis were very competent in maintaining records of their deeds throughout their 12 years of power."Tough guys" behind the front ruling terror over civilians and then reporting back to their seniors in Berlin of their "actions".There are many examples of their meticulous recording which led them to the dock.

    According to the news report the data has been stored for 60 years but I understand the US occupation authorities seized a large number of records and transferred them to Washington.

    Apparently the records are being converted to digital format which should be make deeper research possible.
     
  8. 51highland

    51highland Very Senior Member

    Great find Owen, the guy finding a photo of his Grandfather was a bit of a choker. Hopefully it will bring some closure the those who are still searching. Good luck to them.
     
  9. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    I too saw this item on the BBC and once more was sick to my stomach to see the levels of depravity to which the Third Reich sank.

    One record showed a list of executions at Malthausen concentration camp.

    To "celebrate" Hitler's birthday on the 20th of April 1942, 48 prisoners were executed exactly two minutes apart and this was dutifully recorded in the archives.

    Shortly after the camps were overun in 1945 it became the custom that local German civilians were forced to take a tour of the camps to witness for themselves the atrocities that had been committed in their name.

    If there was any true justice in this world, the likes of David Irving would now be forced to spend the rest of their lives going through these records.
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Remember awhile back I had a thread about was 6 million the true figure (as some people denied that figure) and could a search be done of personXXX from townXXX if I'd know about this archive I wouldn't have needed to ask such a question.
    It's all there for everyone to see.
    No denial anymore.
     
  11. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    As I also said in that thread, Census were taken throughout Europe from the 1930's and Census taken post war.

    Allowing for deaths by "natural causes" Pre- during - Post war emigration to the US, South America, Israel etc and the inbound records in camps (although towards the end they didn't bother) the numbers could then be crossed checked.

    The figure that would be found may be more than anybody is prepared to accept.
     
  12. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    The Nazi state had their personal record filing systems based on the latest industrial data collection systems in the 1930s.In the clip, it showed an example of the filing system that was used.It reminded me that in the past I have seen reference to it being a Kalamazoo filing system.

    Whatever it was, it meant was that there were few hiding places unless the records were destroyed.Some people were lucky when as Bomber Command's bombing offensive increased , more and more of these records were destroyed.In fact there a few of the 1944 plot who escaped with their lives because their files were lost by being destroyed or the court case procedings files were suddeningly halted.Doubly luckly were those who treason cases were being presided over by the nototious judge Roland Freisler who was killed in a bombing raid on 3 February 1945.

    In occupied France the official filing systems broke down due to the chaos of defeat among many reasons.The Resistance and the SOE were able to use this instability of the personal records system to dovetail false identies for their people.

    These filing systems were a key to the progressive submission of the populations of occupied countries.Late in the war, the RAF destroyed the Gestapo Headquarters in Arhus for the purpose of destroying personal filing systems belonging to those of the population who were Gestapo prisoners and those who were listed as suspects.Unfortunately there was loss of civilian lives but a large number of prisoners escaped and the bonus was that a large number of Gestapo officials and collaborators werte killed.

    Brings out the risk of ID Systems falling into the wrong hands ............
     

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