VERITABLE 1945: 51st Highland Division Reichswald Forest

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  1. Captain Roel

    Captain Roel Junior Member

    Yes Chris just seen.
     
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  2. Kurt Johnson

    Kurt Johnson Member

    Hi Stolpi -- You have been a tremendous help in the past for me on Faces-to-Graves Foundation life stories for Groesbeek Canadian War Cemetery. Now I am researching the 25 February 1945 death of Lieutenant Richard Norman Stewart , 24, a CANLOAN officer (Cdn/656) attached to the "5 Bn Black Watch 51st Division." I cannot find info on the specific circumstances of casualty for this Canadian. I know his records show a temporary burial at Goch. BUT nothing is popping up about how he died in combat. Can you help me? Cheers Kurt
     

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  3. Bedee

    Bedee Well-Known Member

    Kurt,

    Something about a Spandau is mentioned in the Wardiary of 5bn Black Watch on 25 February 1945.

    Richard is killed in the late evening probably arround 21:30, C-Coy attacked (from direction Goch) the trenches just north of Robben Hof, south of Thomashof.
    See also sketch from Wardiary for more exact location. And the map.

    Last picture is from TIM a online tool with Lidar maps, you can still find the Trenches in the forrest.


    I have all documents, so let me know what you need Kurt, so i can forward.

    Bernhard

    Robbenhof WD 450225.JPG Robbenhof.JPG Robbenhof WD.JPG Robbenhof TIM.JPG
     
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  4. Kurt Johnson

    Kurt Johnson Member

    Thank you, so much. Is there any direct naming of Richard Stewart's death in documents???
     
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  5. Bedee

    Bedee Well-Known Member

    It mentioned in the diary "Lieutenant R.H. Stewart was killed"
     
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  6. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian Patron

    Hi Stolpi,

    I hope you don't mind me asking your opinion about a dating question related to the German counterattack at Heijen. (post #24)

    In your post, you say that the date of the counterattack (in the afternoon) was on the 13th.
    But the detailed account from 1 Gordons gives the 14th.
    The citation for Captain Ian Lesley Kidd gives the date of his actions as the 13th, but I think the account of his action might be consistent with being in support of the push forward to Heijen.

    In addition, here is the WD entry from 61st Anti-Tank Regiment. There are no entries for the next two days to correspond with a counterattack.
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    I suspect the anti-tank regiment war diary might be wrong, though.

    There is also this citation related to Lt Cuthbertson (and the war diary doesn't even mention this) but I think it pertains to when the 5/7 Gordons were threatened with a counterattack. I hope I didn't post this in your other thread also at some point, as this is all giving me a feeling of "deja vu" now.
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  7. Wapen

    Wapen Active Member

    Nice share Chris. I'm sure Stolpi has the answer and falls between my focus points (I'm Kleve, then Afferden, then Goch with just filler in between) but here's the pages from 153 Bde diary. Hope it helps.
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  8. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian Patron

    Thanks Wapen , that's actually enormously helpful. I had come to the erroneous conclusion that the two Gordons had attacked on different days! Do you have the next page?
     
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  9. Captain Roel

    Captain Roel Junior Member

    Hello Chris send me a PM I have the whole wardiary for the month feb 45 for you.
     
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  10. Wapen

    Wapen Active Member

    Good man Capt Roel!
    Here's the next page anyway. Sorry for being tight with the shares - PhD nonsense. I'll be putting them all online when it's finished. If it's ever finished : (.
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  11. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian Patron

    Thanks very much to you both. I'm going to finish this "Archers in Veritable" chapter even if it kills me!
     
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  12. Wapen

    Wapen Active Member

    It probably will. Everytime I think I've got chapter finished a quirk pops up that changes everything. : )
     
  13. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Chris - told you ... the Gordon's account probably errs in dates! :pipe:
     
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  14. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian Patron

    In English there is an old phrase - "A man with one watch knows the time; a man with two watches is never sure." The situation seems similar with historians and war diaries :)
     
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  15. Wapen

    Wapen Active Member

    I've got a wrong day in one of the 52 Div diaries that made me think something exciting was happening in Afferden. Spent a week writing it up before it dawned on me... [sad face emoji]
     
  16. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    A bad day ... :pipe:
     

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