but t34 if it wasnt for the russians on the jap border than the germans would have reached ....canada.. so how could the russians have fought on 2 fronts... never mind the 3 fronts the germans did the 4 fronts the uk did the 4 fronts the us did russia 1 front uk/us, allies 5 + fronts is better than 1 my maths and english isnt good im from wigan but 5 + is better
raf, where is Wigan? tom I know a city in England by that name ?!? As a big football fan i know a team from Engand by that name too Dani
thanks dani...thats the town also famous for many other things but funny how football links countries. ive been to sunny beach twice back in 1992/1993
but maybe, wars like this are won by those who have to fight in worse conditions ? Except for denial of everything that has been put forward you have not provided one fact of how Russia could have survived without the allies fighting on other fronts and providing material support. The war was won however that is all you are aware of. You seem not to know or simply refuse to acknowledge, that many events in other areas allowed Russia to concentrate on defeating the German invaders. There is no argument that Russia paid the highest price in lives in achieving victory in the east however they would have not been able to react to the German juggernaut without material support being supplied by the other allied nations. More important was the continued destruction of the German war industry by allied air forces who lost over 120,000 men in the delivery of that destruction. Sadly, your continued denial to these facts gives you no credibility in this debate.
didnt the uk beat the germans first... in the bob...that caused the germans not to invade us and then turn to another plan so because the germans couldnt beat us they decided to invade russia something the germans never did...(set foot on our soil0 sorry if im being stupid im english !!
ive been to sunny beach twice back in 1992/1993 Many things changed there all those years By the way im Bolton fan :P
that must be stelios then....why not man city with petrov there doing much better Theres just one name english football should now- Berbatov Before a 2 or 3 years i met a british guy in Bulgaria we talked a lot about football he was Man City fan and i told him that CSKA Sofia is going to beat Liverpool, i balive it was for championship league.He doesn't balive me and said that hes gona buy me a beer if that happan. Well Liverpool 0:1 CSKA Sofia on Anfield, the guy own me a drink !
o yes berbatov...scored 4 goals today....spurs 6 reading 4 i wouldnt hold to much hope in meeting the liverpool guy again...he's probably in jail....
o yes berbatov...scored 4 goals today....spurs 6 reading 4 i wouldnt hold to much hope in meeting the liverpool guy again...he's probably in jail.... There were one liverpool fan in Bulgaria who was arrested for trying to kill bulgarian milan fan. I balive we get the fan transported back to England where he didn't get beat up enough, that made a lot of bulgarians kind of angry We aweys lick someones backside, first it was the Russians then it was the Germans for a little then again the Russians, and now it is the whole western world. Dani
but could russia have won on its own with no help from others? yes, it could. And the basis for your claim is ???? (crystal ball?) hmmm... in Leningrad they died of starvation but still withstood a blockade... A big part of that was the road over the ice, if the Germans were not delayed in the Balkans and reached Leningrad in August, how would they build the ice-road exactly? Except for denial of everything that has been put forward you have not provided one fact (or theory) of how Russia could have survived without the allies fighting on other fronts and providing material support. The war was won however that is all you are aware of. You seem not to know or simply refuse to acknowledge, that many events in other areas allowed Russia to concentrate on defeating the German invaders. There is no argument that Russia paid the highest price in lives in achieving victory in the east however they would have not been able to react to the German juggernaut without material support being supplied by the other allied nations. More important was the continued destruction of the German war industry by allied air forces who lost over 120,000 men in the delivery of that destruction. Sadly, your continued denial to these facts gives you no credibility in this debate. Well put Spidge.
Spidge.....I honestly think this is "point proven" with your Zukhov memoirs.... Nothing like comments from the horses mouth to seal the debate.....welll done Spidge!
... the 3 fronts the germans did the 4 fronts the uk did the 4 fronts the us did russia 1 front... but what a hell of the front that one was !! the Red Army had to grind down more enemy's troops than the Allies had to on their fronts !!
... you have not provided one fact of how Russia could have survived without the allies fighting on other fronts and providing material support... i only wanted to point out that there are no facts of otherwise, either. i mean, no one can say for sure - if the Allies' help was vital for Russia. ... More important was the continued destruction of the German war industry by allied air forces.. still, the loss in manpower was what bled the Nazis out. .
Guys, when will u stop this thread without-future? There were no country in WW2 that could fight alone without allies as good as it was with them. dot.
i i mean, no one can say for sure - if the Allies' help was vital for Russia..... . i have a feeling very few educated people would have a problem realizing that the Allies help was critical to Russia's success. tom
... very few educated people would have a problem realizing that the Allies help was critical to Russia's success. well, within the education system supervised by the FBI or MI6 - that's true.
