The D in DDay

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  1. Don Juan

    Don Juan Well-Known Member

    'D' wasn't an exclusive letter for amphibious operations. In the Pacific they frequently used 'L' - IIRC this was used at both Iwo Jima and Okinawa, and was often given the phonetic name, i.e. 'Love' or 'Love Day'. I think I've also seen D-Day described as 'Dog' a few times.

    I think 'Day' was appended to 'D' and 'L' just to give them context. Talking about 'D' on its own would have been potentially confusing, whereas D+1 etc. is more intuitively obvious. For example, saying "We are going to land on 'D' at 1000 hours" might lead someone to think that 'D' was a geographical position. The hyphenated term D-Day is quite modern, whereas in contemporary war diaries it's a bit more loosely phrased, for example "'D' Day", or "'D' day", or even "day 'D'", i.e. it's the "D" that is important and not the "Day".
     
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  3. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Ho,

    Suspect the French "le jour J" was a postwar copy of the English original. In one allied airman's account composed prior to June 6th he referred to it as "der Tag".

    Regards ...
     
  4. Frog Prince

    Frog Prince Member

    That'll be me. :)
    The evidence is quite strong, coming from David Strangeways himself in his IWM recordings. I'll reproduce the X/Twitter thread with a bit more detail on here, once I have done some boring stuff for the day job.
     
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  5. Frog Prince

    Frog Prince Member

    Pretty much all of the pictures you see on line are reproduced from two sources - both produced immediately post-war.
     
  6. Shoto

    Shoto Active Member

    Fact No. 1 at the Imperial War Museum ~

    Fact No 1

    Best regards,

    Steve
     
  7. EKB

    EKB Well-Known Member

    U.S. National Archives photos of inflatable decoy Sherman tank in the Anzio beach area. Pictures dated May 20, 1944.

    NARA 100310448 : 111-SC-216202-S (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310474 : 111-SC-217857 (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310468 : 111-SC-217854 (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310466 : 111-SC-217853 (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310446 : 111-SC-216201 (20 May 1944).jpeg NARA 100310452 : 111-SC-216203 (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310454 : 111-SC-216204 (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310462 : 111-SC-217851 (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310470 : 111-SC-217855 (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310464 : 111-SC-217852 (20 May 1944).jpg NARA 100310472 : 111-SC-217856 (20 May 1944).jpg
     
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  8. Frog Prince

    Frog Prince Member

    Thank you - one less set of reference data to upload.

    These are British decoys and also appear in the IWM Online Collection. They are often mis-attributed to a. OP FORTITUDE or b. the US Ghost Army.

    Shows pretty much the standard that the Allies were at in early 1944 - i.e. low fidelity decoys.
     
  9. Roy Martin

    Roy Martin Senior Member

    HELP Please. I can no longer post new messages for some reason. I am trying to identify and a model of what appears to be a US Infantry Landing ship, maybe an APA or an AKA. The ship is unusual in that it has a coventional foremast and a bi-pole "Goalpost" mainmast. The model maker has carefully numbered the LCAs, the ones I can read are A10 07, A10 09, A10 17, A10 19 and A10 23. There is also an LCM 185 or 1185. Do these numbers mean anything to anyone please. The model is at the Nothe Fort Museum at Weymouth UK. They label their 'Mystery Ship' as either the Charles Caroll or HMS Glenroy, but neither of these seem to have a goalpost mainmast. The ships I have found that do have goalposts throughot.
     
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  11. EKB

    EKB Well-Known Member


    Do you have findings that these decoys were ever attacked by German aircraft?
     
  12. Frog Prince

    Frog Prince Member

    Not yet... :-/

    It looks like both First and Eighth Armies had their own independent camouflage (decoy) companies in Italy:
    • First Army:
      • 101 Royal Tank Regiment
    • Eighth Army:
      • No. 1 (Palestine) Camouflage Company, later replaced by
      • No. 85 Camouflage Company, South African Engineer Corps
    I think a troop of 101 RTR were responsible for setting up the decoys photographed in the Anzio beachhead. Whether they were bombed (or shelled by Anzio Annie) sounds like another research topic.

    I tripped across a large box of 101 RTR stuff at TNA last time I was there but, unfortunately, closing time was approaching so that gem will have to wait for another day.
     
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  13. Frog Prince

    Frog Prince Member

    Definitely shelled but no mention of air attacks.
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