The 8th Battalion Sherwood Foresters in Norway April 1940

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  1. Steve Foster

    Steve Foster Senior Member

    I have not been in the Lapstone for 20 years or more!
    Loud music, pool table and lager!
     
  2. Poor Old Spike

    Poor Old Spike Discharged

    Incidentally this is the best I can do at trying to enhance the Col. Ford capture pics; the 70-year old originals were so blurry and the camera so stone age that no amount of waving my magic wand can improve them much-

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  3. Steve Foster

    Steve Foster Senior Member

    Incidentally this is the best I can do at trying to enhance the Col. Ford capture pics; the 70-year old originals were so blurry and the camera so stone age that no amount of waving my magic wand can improve them much-

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    Spike, thanks for trying,
    Steve
     
  4. steelrain60

    steelrain60 Junior Member

    One question - I was under the impression that the river was still frozen during the Battle of Tretten and that German ski troops played a role. Yet, from these pictures, it appears that there was little if any snow on the ground.

    What gives?
     
  5. Steve Foster

    Steve Foster Senior Member

    Hi Steel Rain, if you look at Diane's photos of then and now on page 1, you can see that the google earth photo taken of Tretten station in march shows lots of snow, and the one taken in April 40 shows a little bit of Snow. The book "First Contact" states that the roads were clear but the fields above the valley roads had up to 2 ft of wet snow and were unpasssable by day but froze by night.

    What gives is that those are genuine photos from 23 April 40 showing what happened on that day.

    Regards
    Steve
     
  6. BarbaraWT

    BarbaraWT Member

    It's good to see the images enhanced, thanks Spike. I think the age and damage to the photos still don't obscure the enormity of the situation. The look on the Colonel's face says it all.
    Regards
    Barbara
     
  7. BarbaraWT

    BarbaraWT Member

    Hi
    Does anyone know what happened to the bodies of the soldiers who died at Tretten?
    Were they exhumed after the war and moved to proper graves?
    Thanks
    Barbara
     
  8. Steve Foster

    Steve Foster Senior Member

    It was seventy two years ago today that the Territorial Soldiers of the Sherwood Foresters and Leicester Regiments made their stand at Rindheim, Tretten in an attempt to stop the Armoured Division Pelengahr. A forgotten action in a largely forgotten campaign.
     
  9. BarbaraWT

    BarbaraWT Member

    It was seventy two years ago today that the Territorial Soldiers of the Sherwood Foresters and Leicester Regiments made their stand at Rindheim, Tretten in an attempt to stop the Armoured Division Pelengahr. A forgotten action in a largely forgotten campaign.

    It's is a remarkable story. I hope the researcher's catch up with this campaign and give it justice. :poppy::poppy::poppy::poppy::poppy::poppy::poppy::poppy::poppy:
     
  10. Steve Foster

    Steve Foster Senior Member

    Whilst I was visiting the Berlin World War 2 CWGC Cemetery, I found this grave of Private William Ronald Crocker of the 8th Battalion Sherwood Foresters. Like Dad, he was captured at Tretten, Norway, survived the whole war at Stalag XXA and then died on the Long March on 21 Feb 45 at Grosse Wokern, East Germany. How very sad.

    Steve
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  11. airborne medic

    airborne medic Very Senior Member

    Very nice Steve...will be in touch soon.....
     
  12. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

  13. Steve Foster

    Steve Foster Senior Member

    Wills,

    Part 3 of the London Gazette Despatch in the first link is the best and most authoritative description I have read of the fighting at Lillehammer and Tretten. It was written by Brig Morgan so should be correct. Thanks very much indeed.

    Airborne medic,

    Anything else you need Niall, just shout,

    Steve
     
  14. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Hi Oliver,
    Thanks very much for these links, it is the kind of information I have been searching for at the National Archives and the British War Museum. I am not very good with attaching links, is it possible you could add them as a New Post the "8th Battalion Sherwood Foresters in Norway" thread that I started. It would be much appreciated.

    Kind Regards

    Steve


    Your wish is my order ;)

    This is an old newsreel (UFA-Tonwoche) from 1940
    1940-05-03 - UfA-Tonwoche Nr. 504 (old) : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
    Roughly at 10:20 min to 10:56 min is a short account about Tretten and british prisoners

    Here is a propaganda-photo of this incident:
    http://kotenikkote.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/5120.jpg

    Here are many photos from 196. Infanterie-Division at Norway:
    Home > WEHRMACHT HEER > Fotoalbum fra hæren - Photo albums from the German Army > INFANTERIDIVISJONER - INFANTRY DIVISIONS - INFANTERIE DIVISIONEN > 196. INFANTERIDIVISJON - 196. INFANTERIE DIVISION - 196. INFANTRY DIVISION - BILDER TATT AV TYSKE SO

    The Group Pellengahr consisted of parts of 196. Infanterie Division and Panzerabteilung z.b.V. 40
    The latter unit had besides the tiny Mk I and Mk II at least one extremely scarce "Neubaufahrzeug" at its disposal at Tretten

    Holds a narrative (albeit in german) about the advance of 1.Staffel/4.Batterie/Artillerie-Regiment 233 at Lillehammer and Tretten:
    Artillerie-Regiment 233 - Lexikon der Wehrmacht

    A detailled Story about the "Panzer-Abteilung z.b.V. 40":
    Panzer-Abteilung z.b.V. 40

    Some further Information about the "PzKpfw NbFz V":
    German Tank Profile PzKpfw NbFz V - Tank Talk Forum - Tanks Chat - Military Modeller

    Hope this helps a little

    cheers

    Oliver
     
  15. BarbaraWT

    BarbaraWT Member

    Fabulous information Oliver.
     
  16. airborne medic

    airborne medic Very Senior Member

    Wills,

    Part 3 of the London Gazette Despatch in the first link is the best and most authoritative description I have read of the fighting at Lillehammer and Tretten. It was written by Brig Morgan so should be correct. Thanks very much indeed.

    Airborne medic,

    Anything else you need Niall, just shout,

    Steve

    Have you read the King-Salter diary about Tretten?
     
  17. Steve Foster

    Steve Foster Senior Member

    Have you read the King-Salter diary about Tretten?
    Hi Niall,

    I saw it in the file list at the NAs but did not have time to read it as was too busy researching items for the Antony Coulthard thread. Is it worth a read?

    Steve
     
  18. airborne medic

    airborne medic Very Senior Member

    Hi Niall,

    I saw it in the file list at the NAs but did not have time to read it as was too busy researching items for the Antony Coulthard thread. Is it worth a read?

    Steve

    I'll get it to you.......
     
  19. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    A small upgrade for those who are interested :
    The pictures show tanks of Panzer-Abt. z.b.V. 40 at their advance towards Tretten (look at the "V in circle"-sign on the tanks)
    The Infantry ist most probably from Infanterie-Regiment 345
    The 196. Infanterie-Division came from Bavaria, thus the soldiers there were somewhat accustomed to mountain warfare

    cheers

    Oliver
     

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  20. Steve Foster

    Steve Foster Senior Member

    A small upgrade for those who are interested :
    The pictures show tanks of Panzer-Abt. z.b.V. 40 at their advance towards Tretten (look at the "V in circle"-sign on the tanks)
    The Infantry ist most probably from Infanterie-Regiment 345
    The 196. Infanterie-Division came from Bavaria, thus the soldiers there were somewhat accustomed to mountain warfare

    cheers

    Oliver
    Tough looking boys! No wonder the Territorials of 148 Brigade with their Mk1 Lee-Enfields were overwhelmed. These photos also give an idea of the snow conditions the battle was fought in.

    Steve
     

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