SS reenactment

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  1. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    Obeying an order that I know to be an illegal order is no defence. There is something unsavoury about attempts to sanitize belligerent forces.

    Easier said than done in a police state such as Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. That is what people do not understand and it is wrong to stereotype a whole nation or race. We have the luxury of being able to disobey an order considered to be unethical. Soldiers of a police state have some serious thinking to do prior to disobeying.
     
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  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I do believe most forum members understand the re enactment scene whether they be interested in it or not.

    ss re enactment appears to be the issue.

    Does re enactment keep history alive and in the public domain,quite possibly.It portrays a specific time line and provides a varied interest at military/county shows.

    A 21st Century individual in an ss uniform does not sit well with many people.Even those without an interest in WW2 still relate this uniform to a dark time and a terrible period of history.
     
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  3. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    Totally agree CL. As distasteful as the uniform may be, we must never forget it or what it represented. How many of today's youth know what the holocaust is? We need someone to be in that uniform. We need that person to tell what that uniform represented. As painful as it may be, in my opinion it should be a reminder of what can still happan again. But hey, if all the people want is a censored re-enactment.....well that's entertainment for you.
     
  4. Jakob Kjaersgaard

    Jakob Kjaersgaard Senior Member

    Totally agree CL. As distasteful as the uniform may be, we must never forget it or what it represented. How many of today's youth know what the holocaust is? We need someone to be in that uniform. We need that person to tell what that uniform represented. As painful as it may be, in my opinion it should be a reminder of what can still happan again. But hey, if all the people want is a censored re-enactment.....well that's entertainment for you.

    I'm quite sure the majority of youngsters today know about the horrors of the holocaust (at least in these parts) without fellas running around in SS uniforms.
     
  5. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    Perhaps in Denmark (of which I have visited and absolutely love) but here in the US.....no great marks for our censored education system. Besides gentlemen, it's only my opinion.
     
  6. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    At the school my nephew (who is 14) goes to, they have covered the holocaust in great detail over the past year. In fact they have had a visit from a holocaust survivor who goes around the schools in West Yorkshire giving talks to the kids.
    We weren't taught anything about ww1 or ww2 at school-all I remember about history was William the Conqueror and all that rubbish!

    Lesley
     
  7. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    Here is a link to the annual D-Day re-enactment event in Conneaut Ohio. I have attended this event and it is great. They even have representatives of the Spanish Blue Division there. Not many folks knew about foreign volunteers fighting for the Germans. Like I previously stated, re-enacting is an educational experience.

    D-Day Ohio: D-DAY Conneaut 2011

    Check out the gallery!
     
  8. Jen'sHusband

    Jen'sHusband Punchbag

    I usually do like to see SS re-enactors turn up to events.

    Half way through their jaw-jiggling to the public about how good the SS kit/tactics/training was, I like to pop up and remind them that it was the ordinary British Tommy who beat them.

    No, it doesn't go down well but hey, you've got to die of something, right?
     
  9. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    I usually do like to see SS re-enactors turn up to events.

    Half way through their jaw-jiggling to the public about how good the SS kit/tactics/training was, I like to pop up and remind them that it was the ordinary British Tommy who beat them.

    No, it doesn't go down well but hey, you've got to die of something, right?

    Good response!
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Ike, I suppose most of us will agree that the educational angle is quite fine. Trouble is those people whose motivation is not education but strutting their stuff and their inflated egos. That is what I object against. I remember having read the regulations for some Heer/SS reenacting group that I can't locate now, and they clearly specified that uniforms and equipment were to be worn only in the display area, no horseplay in bars or other public places, etc. due to the distaste that this would (or did) create among the general public outside the reenactment context. That is, acting like fookin nazi Aryan supermen in the main street. You won't legislate against something that doesn't happen, right?
     
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  11. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    Totally agree Za. Just advocating that of all the events I attended that had Waffen SS impersonators, I had not seen anything that came across as pro-nazi or even disrespectful. Also that the vets that were there were not offended, as far as I witnessed, by their presence. I believe that most events have strict rules on conduct so I would be surprised if any of the crazies would be present. But yes, boot any pro-nazi bas****s out.
     
  12. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    For what it's worth, I've encountered more allied re-enactors with far right political views that their german counterparts. However if a german re-enactor says or does the wrong thing, he's obviously a nazi, but an allied re-enactor could say/do the same thing and no-one would bat an eyelid.

    I don't know if that makes sense, but it does in my head! :lol:
     
  13. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    Makes sense to me.
     
  14. Lofty1

    Lofty1 Senior Member

    Simple question, can re-enactors dressed as SS. strut their stuff in all European countries, or do some have rules or laws in place? seemingly we don't, and I am in no way suggesting we should or should not have.
    curious ---------lofty
     
  15. Jakob Kjaersgaard

    Jakob Kjaersgaard Senior Member

    Good question Lofty. One could imagine Germany was somehow strict about these things.
     
  16. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    As far as I know, it is an issue in Germany.
     
  17. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    Simple question, can re-enactors dressed as SS. strut their stuff in all European countries, or do some have rules or laws in place? seemingly we don't, and I am in no way suggesting we should or should not have.
    curious ---------lofty

    Re-enacting in general doesn't really seem to be en vogue in the German speaking parts of Europe, at all.
    In Germany most certainly people would cry out in shock if you publicly wore an SS uniform, with little reasoning that it's for educational purposes.
    My experiences so far were that you need to be very careful with what you say about 3. Reich, and how you say it. No jokes about it must be made ("don't mention the war!") unless with well informed friends and fellow researchers with a good sense of humour.
     
  18. Stig O'Tracy

    Stig O'Tracy Senior Member

    I seem to recall seeing a number of photos on the web of Russian guys dressed up as German Mountain troops. I though it quite odd that the people from Russia would want to recreate the experience of Nazi occupation and the Great Patriotic War.
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    When one sees SS marked vehicles that have travelled through the continent to reach a British show being unloaded, their numberplates are always carefully covered to stop the zeig runes being shown. Even seen 'em with removable lettering just for the 'SS' part of the plate.

    Former Soviet Union appears to have a lot of reenactors, SS amongst 'em.
    Eg:
    Gun show and Re-enactment societies in Russia, Kubinka
     
  20. Jakob Kjaersgaard

    Jakob Kjaersgaard Senior Member

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